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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @selentelechia

      hmm what constraints do you think bind for childhood ed that don't for software?

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    2. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      150 years of cultural indoctrination in support of supplying wage worker labor and conscription fodder for the military industrial complex disintegration of extended families via atomization and institutional overreach bureaucratic authoritarianism

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @selentelechia

      hm do you think schools were less abusive 150 years ago? or that there was less child abuse 150 years ago? especially of disabled/etc kids? I mean--I totally agree that this situation is awful and schools are awful but I'm not sure it's a problem that's ever been solved

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    4. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      i have limited knowledge of what schools were like before the Prussian model was widely adopted. my impression (which might be wrong) is that they were smaller, tended to be mixed age groups, and there was less schooling done in general.

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    5. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      my impression of what the lives of developmentally-different people was like in the past is that it sucked ass in a bazillion ways but they might have had access to more care provided directly by immediate and extended family. less atomization in the past.

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    6. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      otoh there was possibly considerably more abuse inflicted on them by their own families. in particular rates of alcoholism in the 19th century were really startling and i'm sure that got taken out on the kids a lot, especially the weird/frustrating/difficult/needy kids.

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    7. Analytic Valley Girl Chris‏ @ChrisExpTheNews 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      That hasn't changed. So it remains, what to do about those kids? School can't deal with them, home can't either. Institutions for troubled youth? We have funding and manpower for that? And those are going to look like the schools, anyway.

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    8. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @ChrisExpTheNews @eigenrobot @selentelechia

      rates of alcoholism are much lower, but yeah, most families are ill-equipped to deal with children (in general). perfectly "normal" children have challenging episodes too though. there's nothing special about needing to deal with kids being challenging. this is typical.

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    9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @ChrisExpTheNews @selentelechia

      eerrggghhh extremely incorrect on the last point

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    10. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot @ChrisExpTheNews @selentelechia

      "normal" children don't have challenging episodes too? it's not typical for caretakers of children to have to deal with the times when the kids are being shitty?

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 20 Nov 2019
      Replying to @danlistensto @ChrisExpTheNews @selentelechia

      it's not the same with special needs kids @selentelechia grew up with many, she can explain more granularly but just imagine the worst day you must have inflicted on your parents as a kid then make that happen once a week

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        2. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
          Replying to @eigenrobot @ChrisExpTheNews @selentelechia

          I was undiagnosed (with autism spectrum traits and related disorders, which were FAR more severe when I was a child) and was in-and-out of school psychologist interventions and other similar things from ages 5-17 I had meltdowns at school about once a month

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        3. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 20 Nov 2019
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot and

          my parents, teachers, and other caretakers didn't know what to do with me. the only options that were presented to them as available were: psychiatric prescription medications (my parents decided against that), child counseling (we tried, but didn't find a suitable counselor)...

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        2. bosco‏ @selentelechia 20 Nov 2019
          Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto @ChrisExpTheNews

          not just worse; bizarre and to be clear I think the same dynamics that lead to child solitary confinement are played out on a less dramatic scale in normal classrooms it just doesn't escalate or feed in to itself as visibly

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        3. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky 20 Nov 2019
          Replying to @selentelechia @eigenrobot and

          fundamental problem is people with needs but no agency, not because it has been denied to them but because they do not have the ability to exercise it even when granted you need to somehow align some other agentful person's incentives with theirs. this is hard.

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