What are reasons why good ideas aren't being tried in areas in which you're a specialist? I wonder how often constraint classes are the same across fields
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Replying to @eigenrobot @selentelechia
I am a mid-tier expert in software engineering. it's not nearly as fraught and fucked up a field as child education afaict. it actually does try new good ideas with some regularity. the reasons it sometimes doesn't are due to misaligned incentives and honest stupidity.
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Replying to @danlistensto @selentelechia
hmm what constraints do you think bind for childhood ed that don't for software?
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Replying to @eigenrobot @selentelechia
150 years of cultural indoctrination in support of supplying wage worker labor and conscription fodder for the military industrial complex disintegration of extended families via atomization and institutional overreach bureaucratic authoritarianism
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Replying to @danlistensto @selentelechia
hm do you think schools were less abusive 150 years ago? or that there was less child abuse 150 years ago? especially of disabled/etc kids? I mean--I totally agree that this situation is awful and schools are awful but I'm not sure it's a problem that's ever been solved
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Replying to @eigenrobot @selentelechia
i have limited knowledge of what schools were like before the Prussian model was widely adopted. my impression (which might be wrong) is that they were smaller, tended to be mixed age groups, and there was less schooling done in general.
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my impression of what the lives of developmentally-different people was like in the past is that it sucked ass in a bazillion ways but they might have had access to more care provided directly by immediate and extended family. less atomization in the past.
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otoh there was possibly considerably more abuse inflicted on them by their own families. in particular rates of alcoholism in the 19th century were really startling and i'm sure that got taken out on the kids a lot, especially the weird/frustrating/difficult/needy kids.
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That hasn't changed. So it remains, what to do about those kids? School can't deal with them, home can't either. Institutions for troubled youth? We have funding and manpower for that? And those are going to look like the schools, anyway.
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rates of alcoholism are much lower, but yeah, most families are ill-equipped to deal with children (in general). perfectly "normal" children have challenging episodes too though. there's nothing special about needing to deal with kids being challenging. this is typical.
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eerrggghhh extremely incorrect on the last point
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"normal" children don't have challenging episodes too? it's not typical for caretakers of children to have to deal with the times when the kids are being shitty?
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it's not the same with special needs kids
@selentelechia grew up with many, she can explain more granularly but just imagine the worst day you must have inflicted on your parents as a kid then make that happen once a week2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes - Show replies
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