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    eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 19 Nov 2019

    eigenrobot Retweeted Ford Fischer

    kind of curious do actions like this seem to be effective, generally or conditional on ?parameters, in effecting the change that's ostensibly being demanded? my prior is no it tends to just piss off the protest target but im open to contrary storieshttps://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1196466181210808320 …

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    Right now: activists with @XRebelDC @ExtinctionR are taking supplements in preparation for an attempted hunger strike at Nancy Pelosi’s office. The #ExtinctionRebellion activists say they’ll be demanding a sit-down meeting with Pelosi where they will push her on climate action. pic.twitter.com/i7lCQGbQ69
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      1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 19 Nov 2019

        taking supplements feels like cheating tbh

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      2. Will Hinsa‏ @willhinsa 19 Nov 2019
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        my thoughts are, if this kinda stuff did, we'd be seeing a lottttt more people doing it (hell, even trying it)

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      3. Will Hinsa‏ @willhinsa 19 Nov 2019
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        i also just have a gut feeling that it wouldn't work. if a monk committing self-immolation doesn't change the reality on the ground in a significant way, i don't think "losing more weight than someone should" will.

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      2. Maebh‏ @Maebhcon 19 Nov 2019
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        It depends, the NI hunger strikes failed in the objective of getting internees recognised as political prisoners, it did piss of Thatcher but it also raised huge international attention, got Sands elected and helped SF transition to mainstream politics.

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      3. Maebh‏ @Maebhcon 19 Nov 2019
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        Yes Sands died, the strike 'failed' in that it was seen in the UK as being a victory for the Iron Lady. But it made martyrs of the dead. Sparked civil disobedience, caused the burning of the british embassy in Dublin and hardened Irish attitudes to the British in NI.

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      2. Dedicating Ruckus‏ @ded_ruckus 19 Nov 2019
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        in persuading the target, usually not more about angling for status among activist groups, I think? (also it's XR, they do a bunch of weird ill-considered protests, like jamming the London metro a few weeks ago)

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      3. Maebh‏ @Maebhcon 19 Nov 2019
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        Status among activist groups I don't think so political actions like that are more focused on the media and the public. You are talking about XR right now because they say they will starve themselves. If they manage to it to any serious degree they will get a tone more coverage.

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      1. A gram of Gramsci‏ @a_thing_to_do 19 Nov 2019
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        Self immolation (more extreme I know but similar vein) has a chequered history of creating action. Like the Arab Spring and Mohamed Bouazizi's self immolation but then there are the less successful versions like Tibetan's in India. Seems conditional on appetite for change.

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