basically: if you have any notion of humans being inherently, objectively morally valuable, is that value the same across all humans, why/why not? I can't in the general case think of reasons why materialists should think it's equal.
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Replying to @ded_ruckus @eigenrobot
and I say that I think it's pretty arbitrary to assume it will NOT be equal,or be something that is valid for individual comparisons except extreme cases!I think this is a cultural bias from the typical reference point for non-materialism being universalist ethics in Christianity
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Replying to @SilverVVulpes @eigenrobot
I mean, most materialist worldviews I can think of, when instantiated across an entire society, just throw out "all humans have value" altogether. (atheist rationalists in the West still live in a Christian society and are typically raised Christian-ish, so can't extrapolate.)
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Replying to @ded_ruckus @eigenrobot
and I guess (again, sorry for needing many tweets to get at this point, this is either my fault, twitter's, or both) the first sentence here is why I disagree, or I view it as highly contigent on our recent cultural context (blah blah capitalism blah blah nihilism)
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Replying to @SilverVVulpes @eigenrobot
well, on a historical level, the "all humans have value" bit is actually kind of rare, even in non-materialist cultures. It comes out of Christianity in theory, some other religious strains less commonly, and... that's about it? (other examples welcomed ofc.)
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Replying to @ded_ruckus @eigenrobot
Well, this is the point where I'd say that I'd need to look up what I half remember about for example, the ancient greek philosophers that had want some recognize as proto-humanist philosophy despiste no Christianity. One could arso argue that pre-agriculture people were...
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very egalitarian within community and massively sexist by our standards for pratical reasons, for example. I guess the thing is once again not about differences in capacity-> rights within a community, which is not to be assumed, but the massively weird, recent innovation...
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that materialists ought to justify is the rights that previous proto-humanists or humanists with-without Christianity exposure assigned every human in their community/tribe/civilized people/whatever, but not the "outgrup". "Outgrup has human rights too" is the weird thing.
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Replying to @SilverVVulpes @ded_ruckus
When I wake up and see that people have spent dozens of tweets arguing in my replies I smile wanly and read none of it This is not a good use of the medium
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Replying to @eigenrobot @ded_ruckus
okay, sorry, I think this happens a lot because of our timezones and will program a monster so slap me everytime I keep you on for more than 5 tweets without any input from you
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No its ok but uh Depending on your intended audience the message may not be received
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Replying to @eigenrobot @ded_ruckus
ok it's good because the alternative is for you to stop making interesting/funny/nerd debate inducing quotetweets (honestly it's just that it's the first time I see the guy in the replies and see his take sometimes and I didn't get it and wanted input on my weird take too)
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