framed a little more charitably, the left's critique I think should be acceptable even to most on the right: sexual mores are not cardinal values I don't think even tradcaths (but--?) would disagree that, say, wearing lipstick has varied in its moral status over time;
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extrapolate from that and it's hard to defend any particular set of temporogeographically-bound norms at least in deontological terms so settle for virtue or for consequentialism but these are quite plastic, so
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Anyway, I'm not a deontological sexual traditionalist. It's fine if you disagree I'm not proselytizing.
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The problem is that in fact sex is not like buying a cheese along a few important axes, and you can't just toss deontology and immediately start screaming no gods no masters I mean you can and I kind of respect that but it comes with some problems
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In this specific case, the issue is it seems to me that sex is an ekstatic state spelled with a k so that you know im serious about the greek etymology
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The thing that prompted this entire line of thought was that dumb patriarchy museum or whatever it was There was a class of (fourth?) graders going through and in particular one piece was an older fairly obese naked lady just standing there The kids looked really uncomfortable
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and that makes total sense to me, and I was fortunately able to make legible to myself the nature of my objection it's certainly not the exhibit in isolation; I can see it nicely riffing on Celle qui fut la belle heaulmière, frinstance
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Rather--and maybe this isn't quite as crisp as I'd like--the caricatured left position seems to end up in a place like this, in an uncomfortable aughtistic tangle "By our theory sex and nudity should be mundane human behavior, and by God we will act as if they are so"
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For most people, sex is not mundane; it is ecstatic. You can build whatever systems you like to contradict this, and I expect in the long run you will have all the fortune of King Pentheus.
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Hmm so there's a desacralisation or profanation angle to this, maybe?
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yeah I think that's a succinct way of putting it
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So: "the left tries to desacrilize and that will never work. The right tries to ...prevent monkeys from following monkey urges, and that will never work" ?
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Hm! Maybe? I don't quite know whether I can effectively critique a non-caricatured socialcon position because I'm so far removed from it culturally
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