Also I am definitely sure which of us is the robot
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Replying to @ursularising
^^ I think the framework that fits better in this case is (meta)norm N0: norm violators can be punished freely norm N1: trans people are norm violators you don't actually need a new norm to socially prohibit trans murders, only need to remove N1
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Maybe it’s just because my schema for leftist culture was constructed based on a very specific queer arts scene in Brooklyn circa 2014-16 with parallels to Weimar Berlin, but I feel like norm violation is the goal, or was originally supposed to be the goal at least
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Replying to @ursularising
Sure! I think there's a lot of that. But what do you make of (eg) suing a baker who didn't want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple?
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Replying to @eigenrobot
That seems functionally comparable to lunch counter owners not wanting to let black customers sit there to me
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There was a transwoman, no bottom surgery, in Canada who went to Brazilian wax places and reported the ones that wouldn't serve her https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/transgender-woman-human-rights-waxing-1.5227434 …
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More generally freedom of association is an interesting case May a Jewish cake maker refuse to cater to a Nazi wedding, may people have racial or genital preferences in dating, may women's profession associations turn away men
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I think unless you apply a blanket "people may associate however they like" standard you pretty quickly get to "people may not refuse people who adhere to norms" And then you can find out what norms are by who may be refused
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