I don't actually know that factory farming is bad at least on its own terms Hard to judge whether a given life is worth living Hard to know ecologically too Do factory farmed animals have it worse than wildlife they + their feed crops displace? I'm not sure.https://twitter.com/EvanSandhoefner/status/1156653573565898753 …
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Replying to @eigenrobot
survival of the fitest just means developing characteristics that will keep the species alive sometimes that characteristic is being delicious enough to be looked after and bred by your predator applying human notions about life worth living to animals is absurd
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Replying to @eigenrobot
they... don't have the same psychological complexity or conceptual thinking as humans to even make sense of such a thing? we can tell if they're content with the living conditions they have (animals display boredom and distress pretty clearly) but
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if they appear healthy and don't display distress, anything about "well but they're still living in captivity" is nothing but projection of your own human understanding that *you* would prefer not to live in captivity
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Replying to @erin_nerung
oh sure I don't object to captivity in particular So what's the minimum IQ cutoff for considering quality of life in humans, and do we weight QOL more heavily as IQ increases?
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Replying to @eigenrobot
i used captivity to mean "being farmed" in a broad sense sorry and since it's our own species i don't think there's a minimum cutoff for QOL. and what do you mean, rewarding higher IQ with higher QOL? am unclear here
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Replying to @erin_nerung
well, you had cited human psychological complexity and conceptual thinking as reasons to treat humans differently but those features vary dramatically within humans as well do we weight very simple people differently from sophisticates when considering moral questions?
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Replying to @eigenrobot
oh, no, i cited those as reasons to expect humans (as a species) to have such a conception of life worth living but not expect animals (other species) to have similar notions, as that would be nonsense it's no doubt *some* humans don't have the sophistication for that tho, yes..
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Replying to @erin_nerung @eigenrobot
but (in my opinion) being the same species trumps that, even if they're more similar to animals than to people in the cognitive sense i think it would be wiser for me to shut up around now though, because i feel myself being baited into revealing extremely controversial opinions
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controversial is fine as long as its interesting
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Replying to @eigenrobot
i haven't fully made my mind on this yet - but as someone whose values values intelligence, I do think we should weight more sophisticated people differently from the simpler, yes but i also think this has been implemented dreadfully in the past
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as in, dreadfully for failing its own purpose & being nothing but a justification for cruelty BUT intelligence might also not be the best evolutionary trait who knows weren't there other apes who were better than us at everything but we survived and they didn't because reasons?
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