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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 31 Jul 2019

      eigenrobot Retweeted Evan

      I don't actually know that factory farming is bad at least on its own terms Hard to judge whether a given life is worth living Hard to know ecologically too Do factory farmed animals have it worse than wildlife they + their feed crops displace? I'm not sure.https://twitter.com/EvanSandhoefner/status/1156653573565898753 …

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      Evan @EvanSandhoefner
      Replying to @EvanSandhoefner @morallawwithin
      I mean this is the kind of thing where you have dinner with a bunch of liberal 20somethings & everyone's eating chicken & this question comes up & someone says "probably factory farming" & everyone agrees heartily & keeps eating their chicken, you know?
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    2. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      survival of the fitest just means developing characteristics that will keep the species alive sometimes that characteristic is being delicious enough to be looked after and bred by your predator applying human notions about life worth living to animals is absurd

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @erin_nerung

      Why the last? This isn't clear to me at all!

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    4. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      they... don't have the same psychological complexity or conceptual thinking as humans to even make sense of such a thing? we can tell if they're content with the living conditions they have (animals display boredom and distress pretty clearly) but

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    5. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @erin_nerung @eigenrobot

      if they appear healthy and don't display distress, anything about "well but they're still living in captivity" is nothing but projection of your own human understanding that *you* would prefer not to live in captivity

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @erin_nerung

      oh sure I don't object to captivity in particular So what's the minimum IQ cutoff for considering quality of life in humans, and do we weight QOL more heavily as IQ increases?

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    7. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      i used captivity to mean "being farmed" in a broad sense sorry and since it's our own species i don't think there's a minimum cutoff for QOL. and what do you mean, rewarding higher IQ with higher QOL? am unclear here

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 31 Jul 2019
      Replying to @erin_nerung

      well, you had cited human psychological complexity and conceptual thinking as reasons to treat humans differently but those features vary dramatically within humans as well do we weight very simple people differently from sophisticates when considering moral questions?

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        2. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          oh, no, i cited those as reasons to expect humans (as a species) to have such a conception of life worth living but not expect animals (other species) to have similar notions, as that would be nonsense it's no doubt *some* humans don't have the sophistication for that tho, yes..

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        3. eris‏ @erin_nerung 31 Jul 2019
          Replying to @erin_nerung @eigenrobot

          but (in my opinion) being the same species trumps that, even if they're more similar to animals than to people in the cognitive sense i think it would be wiser for me to shut up around now though, because i feel myself being baited into revealing extremely controversial opinions

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