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    1. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      I've gotta vent about something: I'm not an hard-line pro-lifer, I think it should be legal probably up to about 20 weeks, give or take. But trying to find middle ground w/ pro-choice people is making me more & more viscerally angry about abortion. /1

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    2. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      I feel like we should all be able to agree that *born infants* should be medically cared for and helped to survive. Like... we should spend a great deal of energy doing this. That strikes me as uncontroversial. /2

      4 replies 10 retweets 106 likes
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    3. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      PoliMath Retweeted PoliMath

      But it turns out that this is controversial. I got into a couple arguments yesterday when I pointed out that MN published details of infants born during attempted abortions. So far, out of 8, none have survived.https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/1129161601615982592 …

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      PoliMath @politicalmath
      Here is a new thing I learned: In MN during 2017, 3 children were born after a failed abortion. None of them were given medical care to ensure their survival. https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/mchs/pubs/abrpt/docs/2017abrptr2.pdf …
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    4. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      Now 8 isn't a big number. The data person in me wants more data. But it's also true that, in none of these cases, was any attempt to help the child made. Three were provided "comfort care" which could very well mean simply giving them morphine while they die. /4

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    5. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      A few people pointed out that these are extreme cases. Well, yes. But that's why I'm using them. In the extreme case were we all agree that the baby is a baby, an individual with rights, can we please agree to try to keep it alive? The answer is no, we can't. /5

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    6. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      Now yes, there are cases when it might not make sense to spend all that time and effort to keep someone alive, but reading the reports, it doesn't look like *any* effort was made in *any* of the cases. And I'm deeply uncomfortable with that. /6

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    7. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      I feel like this is the moderate position, to provide energetic and enthusiastic care for a baby who survived an abortion. I feel like we need a doctor in the room who can advocate for the baby and isn't *just* there for the abortion. That seems like a not-crazy thing /7

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    8. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      I also feel like that's a huge compromise position that people should be able to sign on for. If we say "ok, late term abortions are legal, but you need a doctor in the room whose job it is to care for a born-alive child" That feels like a 99% win for pro-choicers. /8

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    9. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      But even that position gets them all riled up that I didn't just let the baby die That I'm uncomfortable with letting the baby that we *all* agree is a baby just die without any proactive medical care, this somehow makes me a crazy unreasonable pro-lifer. How did that happen? /9

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    10. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019

      Anyway, that just really frustrated me. I'm not suddenly pro-abortion ban so much and just really exhausted with trying to find places to agree on the issue of abortion. /10

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 17 May 2019
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      eigenrobot Retweeted eigenrobot

      what do you make of this?https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1129237736588599296?s=19 …

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      eigenrobot @eigenrobot
      ok interesting while my opinion is clearly correct it is not widely shared and so for wrong people with self-identified *strong* views on abortion: can you identify any argument from your opponents that you don't think is moronic?
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        2. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          I'm not sure I have particularly strong views on abortion... and it's not like I don't see their point. I'm just unconvinced (from what I've seen reading the reports) that a viable infant in that case would be cared for appropriately.

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        3. PoliMath‏ @politicalmath 17 May 2019
          Replying to @politicalmath @eigenrobot

          Mostly, their position seems to be "we should just trust the doctors" and my position is "but should we?"

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