a long and interesting discussion but possibly the killing blow was struck when someone mentioned Disney disney is an engine for Reaction hiding in plain site harry potter too actually bizarre leftists love it may as well use downtown abbey metaphors for everything https://twitter.com/sonyasupposedly/status/1101619589035651073 …
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a master race hidden in plain sight that secretly runs the world and ancient bloodlines and destiny rule everything and an incompetent bureaucratic government gets toppled by the headmaster of eton hmmmmm harry is the hero not hermione blood beats talent extremely reactionary
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Replying to @eigenrobot
Fantasy is largely reactionary (esp. on the surface), though that has shifted a bit. Ursula LeGuin is probably the exception that proves the rule.
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and she was very self-conscious about breaking the reactionary pattern and averting or subverting every reactionary trope in the genres she wrote in. she was good at it too.
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yeah and I maybe think her work was weaker for it too I read it and liked it a lot AND she cut herself off from a source of immense memetic power
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I mean, she's been popular for 40+ years now and is likely to gain perennial status posthumously, so not sure I agree she suffered for it, memetically speaking
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I mean, implicit here is that you credit HP popularity to some inherent virtue in the text itself and I'm not really sure I agree with that. Seems like it was a passable text that hit the perfect storm of marketing, generational imprinting, and Hollywood adaptation success.
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I don't think I was doing that(????)
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I guess I don't know what you mean then. The counterfactual being that LeGuin applied the same memetically proven tropes as HP in her work and therefore it would have been even more popular? I'm arguing that the popularity of HP is not primarily due to those tropes.
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