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    eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019

    somerset maugham proposes via an american character in late victorian germany a two-prong test for whether a society is free: can people live as they please? can people think as they please?

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      2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019

        Through his character, he claims contemporary France passes only the first test, and contemporary Germany only the second. England, to him, fails on both points.

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      3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019

        Hot take: America seems to be progressing on the first test and regressing on the second. Observation over thirty years: people are much more free to live as they please. Regulation of private life has plummeted, especially with respect to gender and sex.

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      4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019

        Simultaneously, tolerance for holding The Wrong Ideas seems to have fallen. I recall that in the 90s you could hold unconventional views on a subject in many quarters, and the worst outcome would be eyerolling and boredom. This mos seems rather less prevalent now.

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      5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019

        A simple story: Social conservatives in the America roughly seem to support a German model; social leftists, a French. Consider a third group supporting both flavors of liberty. You might expect them to swing to and fro whenever one mode were ascendant (and more threatening).

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      2. Komrade J‏ @punishedkomrade 29 Jan 2019
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        It seems plausible to me that this is a “pick one” situation

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      3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 29 Jan 2019
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        Uh oh 😬

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      2. father of the year‏ @ITBeHa 30 Jan 2019
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        See, I can think about this question what I want. I can pretty much live as I please (being basic at pleasing helps). I can however not *say* what I think – especially about how people please – in public, or I’d roundly be drummed out of society, at best.

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      3. father of the year‏ @ITBeHa 30 Jan 2019
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        The older I get the more understanding and appreciation of this I have.

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      2. saint of the deep‏ @swimming_blerd 2 Feb 2019
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        I think this is dichotomy is more fraught than it appears: specifically, it seems to rest on an idea that one’s “thoughts” are separate from one’s “life”, the corollary being that speech isn’t an act with moral consequences it’s not that simple

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      3. saint of the deep‏ @swimming_blerd 2 Feb 2019
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        thoughts flow into life, and vice-versa now I don’t normally endorse control of thoughts/speech (I’d have to think hard for an example where I would) but how we construe control—its sources & its manifestations—is the difference between truly oppressed, verses merry unpopular

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