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    maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot Oct 21

    maskirovbot Retweeted Dolores  🏴 ✨

    nonoptimizers deserve their fates this is what i have learned its a cruel imaginary world and u gotta use simulation-tested character designs to make it out therehttps://twitter.com/AmbrosialArts/status/1054153663600484352 …

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    Dolores  🏴 ✨ @AmbrosialArts
    This is actually a thing that plagued 4e a bit, if you dial in a very tight mathematical range (admirable!) and then require max investment to achieve reasonable success rates, you go from "rewarding people for optimization" to "punishing people for not optimizing."
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      2. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman Oct 21
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        it wasn't that you had to be optimized. there were lots of viable options, and truly hyperoptimized characters still kinda broke the math

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      3. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman Oct 21
        Replying to @admittedlyhuman @eigenrobot

        it was more that there were 5-6 simple key things you had to do, and the math assumed you did them, so if you didn't you would suck forever.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot Oct 21
        Replying to @admittedlyhuman

        I played maybe 2 sessions of 4e and never got into it--felt too MMOish for pen and paper. I hadn't realized it was exploitable honestly! Felt too constrained for that? Contra Pathfinder which was ideal for absurd builds and niche optimization

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      5. Dolores  🏴 ✨‏ @AmbrosialArts Oct 21
        Replying to @eigenrobot @admittedlyhuman

        see though you want when you optimize to actually wreck face so that you can actually feel like you optimized.

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      6. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot Oct 21
        Replying to @AmbrosialArts @admittedlyhuman

        no contradiction there! you could get plenty silly while staying super effective iirc and in lots of different ways different than eg quicken cheese in shadowrun, nigh unbeatable but its One Simple Trick GM Hates Him territory at this point

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      2. Mr X Cannot be Hindered by Mortal Man‏ @NotDeadGlomar Oct 21
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        I'm so old, I remember having viable characters rolling 3 dice for each attribute. In order.

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      3. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot Oct 21
        Replying to @NotDeadGlomar

        I miss this norm honestly Challenges a player to work effectively in-game given hard constraints rather than creating to avoid playstyle constraints

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      4. Mr X Cannot be Hindered by Mortal Man‏ @NotDeadGlomar Oct 21
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        Life isn't fair, not everyone can make paladin.

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