i wasn't being ironic honestly
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that makes sense, I think - is the general idea that personal morality is a function of the society one is born in, and thus individuals cannot be said to be good or evil, just societies?
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hmmm not entirely sure, this is a position coming from intuition rather than reason as I write this, occurs to me I'm also less inclined to judge an entire society than specific institutions and subsystems for--well, systematic ethical breaches
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I think the cohering model is something like: 1. individuals may be judged by their actions, in the context of the systems of which they're the substrates. 2. systems may be judged on a purely consequentialist basis 3. humans being limited in power and duration relative . . .
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to their surrounding systems, and having great difficulty altering those systems as individuals or even imagining what alterations might be possible, ought specifically be forgiven for baseline complicity in wicked systems beyond their practical control; but
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4. perhaps: exceptional merits assigned to people who manage to improve existing systems at cost to themselves, and endless demerits to people who will new bad systems into being or corrupt existing good systems, either through recklessness or malevolence.
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I thought we couldn't do that because they just didn't have access to our moraltools??
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I thought the society was the moral tool.
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Maybe eigenrobot is good because he was surrounded by good people from an early age, and he would have been evil had he been born Aztec. That's why he thinks Aztec society is evil but not an Aztec individual. The individual would have been good if he had been born here and now.
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One could reasonably say that a person is responsible for their own morality and should not just follow what society says. The person who says that was born in a modern society, and is repeating an idea that he learned from modern books and movies.
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