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    1. Peter Haunter Godofsky‏ @petergodofsky Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur @lordcataplanga

      Maybe a political philosophy is an injection f: A -> B which maps political opinions A to Accountable Opinions B? hm...might be taking this too far

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @petergodofsky @palecur @lordcataplanga

      all Ethics must be reduced to math so that only mathematicians can be confident that they are acting ethically this would solve a lot of problems

      2 replies 3 retweets 11 likes
    3. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      ethics are godelian-undecidable, world continues to Just Fuckin Wing It

      1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @palecur @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      this unironically

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    5. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      i wasn't being ironic honestly

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @palecur @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa but if no one even knows whats ethical how can you then hold the opinion that men should be judged harshly for the ethical systems they basically picked up from the water in whatever city they last passed through and have considered for 30s max with sub 180iq

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    7. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      ....easily? judging people harshly for holding shitty ethical systems is super easy, you just do it. why would I care about how/why they acquired those ethical systems, that ain't no kind of excuse

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    8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @palecur @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      are you one of those Religious folks who holds that people born on the other side of the world with no exposure to your tenets are gonna be sent to burn in hell by a hitherto unknown angry god

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    9. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      naw, all can Become Good, but 'i had no opportunity to Become Good' isn't a get out of NotGood card.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
      Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

      besides the good is inherently knowable to all thinking beings, in bicameral people it appears as a voice of great authority speaking directly to them

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @palecur @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

      so surely all men born in idk say Periclean Athens were irredeemably wicked start to finish on account of their reprehensible views of women thats pretty interesting youd've have thought that a reasonable fraction wouldve figured out the Correct 21C view but somehow no??

      12:29 PM - 4 Sep 2018
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        2. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur and

          Are there any societies that you do believe were irredeemably wicked - perhaps those that regularly performed human sacrifice, had institutionalized slavery, etc? It's hard to see how this argument, if accepted, doesn't generalize to every past society.

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        3. Santiago Tórtora‏ @lordcataplanga Sep 4
          Replying to @hikikomorphism @eigenrobot and

          If there is some sort of continuum between that evil society and a good society (like there kind of is between ancient Athens and the modern West) then maybe the wickedness was worth it. Aztecs were evil but were also a dead end, so their evil was not worth it.

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        4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
          Replying to @lordcataplanga @hikikomorphism and

          Arguably the Inca wouldn't have been, but the Aztecs, yeah.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @palecur @lordcataplanga and

          I feel more comfortable calling societies, separate from their collective human constituents, evil

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur and

          that makes sense, I think - is the general idea that personal morality is a function of the society one is born in, and thus individuals cannot be said to be good or evil, just societies?

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        7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @hikikomorphism @palecur and

          hmmm not entirely sure, this is a position coming from intuition rather than reason as I write this, occurs to me I'm also less inclined to judge an entire society than specific institutions and subsystems for--well, systematic ethical breaches

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @hikikomorphism and

          I think the cohering model is something like: 1. individuals may be judged by their actions, in the context of the systems of which they're the substrates. 2. systems may be judged on a purely consequentialist basis 3. humans being limited in power and duration relative . . .

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        9. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @hikikomorphism and

          to their surrounding systems, and having great difficulty altering those systems as individuals or even imagining what alterations might be possible, ought specifically be forgiven for baseline complicity in wicked systems beyond their practical control; but

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        2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

          this, but unironically

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        3. Santiago Tórtora‏ @lordcataplanga Sep 4
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot @petergodofsky

          Lots of people study the classics and few study the blog posts of modern racist misogynists just in case there is wisdom buried there somewhere. On a level, they realize that a person who is a racist misogynist now is less good than a person who was racist misogynist back then.

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        4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
          Replying to @lordcataplanga @eigenrobot @petergodofsky

          this seems reasonable.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @palecur @lordcataplanga @petergodofsky

          reasonable like its worth considering the context and setting in which a person developed their views when judging their moral character? :D

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur and

          anyway its a lucky thing that there are no more Moral Innovations to be had and we are all perfectly good and perma-orthodox now

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        7. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur and

          Being there for the End of History was so effing cool, I can't even tell you. I have a commemorative coin around here somewhere.

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        2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @petergodofsky @lordcataplanga

          like, the idea that people in the past were wicked because we hadn't figured out goodness seems uncontroversial? History is one long litany of misery and subjugation.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Sep 4
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

          hell, it's trivially extensible to the present, i'm fine with saying there is plenty of miserycausing stuff going on rn that we'll be judged for later.

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        1. Shieldfoss‏ @shieldfoss Sep 5
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur and

          Yes, on account of how dead men (I'm going to assume no Periclean Athenians achieved immortality) can't change their minds.

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