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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4

      I don't have strong opinions about the policies in question generally however people can reasonably disagree in good faith about the likelihood of different outcomes of a policy or its absence or alternatives this seems uncontroversial

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4

      even agreeing on probabilities they can disagree about the value of different outcomes without being monsters people have different social aesthetics perhaps you disagree, in which case good luck in your effort to subjugate everyone who doesnt share your precise taste in mores

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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4

      none of this is novel, Certain People have been pleading the belligerents to lay down their arms with these words since the war broke out I dont know maybe OP is dumb but it more reads like shes not even trying just "heres todays rationale for why the outgroup is irredeemable"

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    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4

      what's especially dispiriting I guess is that she's explicitly justifying people cutting ties with their friends and family right there in the tweet not straight up calling for it, but that's the implication that seems to be spelled out through the thread, if you buy her ideas

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    5. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      You’re making her sound like a Scientologist. You’ve never decided to deprecate an acquaintanceship on the grounds of political or social value drift?

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    6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @lyrra_sark

      I have literally never done this or even considered it

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    7. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      Then you are a profoundly good person. I am not.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata Sep 4
      Replying to @lyrra_sark @eigenrobot

      Why is it considered an unmitigated good to treat value alignment as irrelevant in one's personal relationships?

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    9. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata Sep 4
      Replying to @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark @eigenrobot

      (I say it as someone who has gotten much less patient about such things as many inimical ideologies have moved from 'weird memetic fauna on the internet' to 'plausible threat')

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    10. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

      plausibly I'm just proselytizing my meta values, I guess when I consider what I want in a private companion of any capacity I come back with "interesting" and "thoughtful" and "pleasant" and "kind" public object level views seem orthogonal *at best* to these traits

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
      Replying to @eigenrobot @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

      but if you have a direct preference for political views--(maybe if you make them part of your identity?)--well one can't argue with a utility function

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        2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

          I find that political views are a potent but not completely reliable predictor of shit I find disgusting (like willingness to use direct or indirect application of force to make consenting adults adhere to any sexual behavior standard, or regulate what media one should consume)

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        3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @0K_ultra @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

          kind of wonder if I have a tacit model of explicitly-espoused political views as being randomly drawn from the environment and stochastically drifting toward something reasonable (when people I might like to spend time around update) or madness (the reverse--rare?)

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        4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @0K_ultra and

          sex work case: when people asked me about what I was doing with that, and I gave my spiel, the modal result was horror and a rapid update to "gosh maybe this shouldn't be enforced by crazy men with guns" idk people seem to update to decency quickly when warmly/personally engaged

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        5. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

          Maybe you happen to have ability and opportunity to pre-filter the real shit cases out, so this whole "blow the bolts, cut it all lose and throw into space" shit seems conspicuously extreme

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 4
          Replying to @0K_ultra @puellavulnerata @lyrra_sark

          that does seem pretty plausible :/ good implications for me, maybe bad for people generally compared to my prior

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        7. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Sep 4
          Replying to @eigenrobot @0K_ultra and

          I think two things might be conflated in this thread: ppl who genuinley disagree on policy, and people who are hateful or cultic or otherwise toxic. It doesn't make so much sense to split from the first group, it makes a lot of sense to split from the latter.

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        8. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata Sep 4
          Replying to @ColumPaget @eigenrobot and

          Why should I be bothered less just because someone wants to indirect their intended harm through the state?

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        9. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Sep 4
          Replying to @puellavulnerata @eigenrobot and

          well because they could simply be mistaken, in which case good evidence of that will make them change their mind. A true hater never changes their mind in the face of evidence: they're stuck that way.

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