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    eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 24 Jul 2018

    stray thought "communism is bad because it produced stalin and mao" is kind of a weak argument and "yeah look at all the shit generated by capitalist systems" is a fair and reasonable retort the better take is probably something like:

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      2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 24 Jul 2018

        i. communism seems to (and theoretically probably must) produce or at least facilitate maos and stalins ii. theres no compensatory payoff iii. capitalist systems can break but their failure mode is generally transient and less-dreadful iv. mitigating mechanisms exist, understood

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      3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 24 Jul 2018

        v. capitalism has enormous and proven nice side effects like, that's more than enough, and it doesnt push the argument into shifty moral status gaming

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      2. MSV So Much For Sobriety‏ @anti_nihilist 24 Jul 2018

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      2. Rotem Beyond  🧮 🏴‍☠️‏ @metorotem 24 Jul 2018
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        It can be a good argument against communism as a utopian panacea. The fact that when it was tried it did not merely fail but was a historical disaster makes it very unlikely that it is the solution to mankind's fundamental problems.

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      3. Rotem Beyond  🧮 🏴‍☠️‏ @metorotem 24 Jul 2018
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        Even most libertarians don't make the symmetric argument that capitalism is a cost-free cure-all. Ayn Rand is justifiably mocked for doing this.

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      2. Yung Kark‏ @YungKark 24 Jul 2018
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        the one i worry about it "communism requires violence." if i were commie i'd say there's no violence in just not letting an absentee capitalist skim wealth from the facilities you work and maintain, and i don't have a good answer to that but they never end up using it so 🤷‍♂️

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      3. Yung Kark‏ @YungKark 24 Jul 2018
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        i think it's probably because they actually really do fantasize about murdering people and other ways of revolution don't occur to them.

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      2. Lucrezia Borgia‏ @jkh107 25 Jul 2018
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        When you're contrasting Stalin and Mao with capitalism, though, you're not only contrasting economic systems . The worst things about Stalin and Mao was that they were murderous autocrats. Murderous autocrats (like, I guess, Hitler?) can coexist with capitalism.

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      3. Lucrezia Borgia‏ @jkh107 25 Jul 2018
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        I totally agree that something in communism-as-implemented-by-violent-revolution is like an engraved invitation for a murderous thug to take over, but I don't think that capitalism is a corrective for this.

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