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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9

      I've been chewing on a thing and I want to write about it a bit but I need to, sadly, expose my object level beliefs in advance so that I am really clearly understood at the meta. I do not have strong feelings about abortion policy, apart from a very hard preference . . .

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9

      for the continued legality of technology-assisted reproduction and associated research. Okay. SO that out of the way . . . I'm puzzled by the intensity of feelings about this matter from the prochoice camp. If you believe that abortion is murder, it makes a lot of sense to me

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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9

      that your advocacy against abortion would be strident and encompassing. I don't think there's much to explain there. What I don't entirely understand (and I am not dismissing, rather trying to grapple with) the proportionate sentimental intensity from the prochoice camp.

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    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9

      I'm trying to be a good Chamberlinian scientist and so I have multiple working hypotheses (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/148/3671/754 …). One is that there are values at play on the prochoice side that I don't understand or share (perhaps). Another (more interesting, I think) is that . . .

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9

      in any political conflict, there might be a sort of van der Waals force, where intensity from one side induces a proportionate passion from the other that might not otherwise manifest. This second possibility has Broader Implications. Hm

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        2. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          perceived threats and injuries to sacred objects produce emotion whose intensity is not a function of the magnitude of any concrete harm

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        3. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jul 9
          Replying to @teleonomist @eigenrobot

          this is the most correct and compact and general explanation you will encounter, i am 100% right

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        4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9
          Replying to @teleonomist

          this tweet is absolutely correct but how exactly did this become sacred is maybe whats interesting to me

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        5. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          how did women become sacred objects? they always were

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9
          Replying to @teleonomist

          domain-specific sanctity

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        2. András‏ @adrwtp Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Why do you think pro-choicers should not see it as a vital issue? From their perspective - okay, it's not literally murder, but it's temporarily disabling. Maybe the equivalent of people having their arms broken for the crime of having sex.

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        3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9
          Replying to @adrwtp

          Even in a dramatic case of abortion being outlawed nationally, most bad outcomes (vs status quo ante) could and probably would be averted by behavioral adaptation. Contrast w other policies that definitely kill lots of people that are not similarly opposed by hard prochoice folx

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        4. András‏ @adrwtp Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Ah yes. Banning abortion might seem to lead to more (presumably happy) lives, but actually just leads to people having less sex. Hence we should permit abortion for everyone except rape victims.

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        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9
          Replying to @adrwtp

          aaaaghhhhhh! I am not making any argument on policy and certainly not those Bad Arguments ^^

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        2. crypt‏ @nmgrm Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          yes, and i think one more dangerous step further: radicals who realize that they can manifest political opposition to themselves, are best positioned to shift the overton window in their favor

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        3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 9
          Replying to @nmgrm

          oh frig

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        2. Dolores  🏴 ✨‏ @AmbrosialArts Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          torture for 9 months is not a valid reason? bodily autonomy is not a valid reason? helloooooo?

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        3. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp Jul 9
          Replying to @AmbrosialArts @eigenrobot

          The problem is that murder is sort of an ethical trump card

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        4. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp Jul 9
          Replying to @bitemyapp @AmbrosialArts @eigenrobot

          There's a large population of people who Very Sincerely Believe that termination is murder of an innocent and the notion is basically axiomatic and cannot be debated

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        5. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp Jul 9
          Replying to @bitemyapp @AmbrosialArts @eigenrobot

          no amount of reframing pregnancy as torture or appeal to bodily autonomy is going to sway anyone who possesses a strong belief that it's murder

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        6. Dolores  🏴 ✨‏ @AmbrosialArts Jul 9
          Replying to @bitemyapp @eigenrobot

          That's not what Eigen is trying at, though, he's trying to get why people are passionate about bodily autonomy, which seems easy to me. I am saying torture is a valid reason to object rather than collapsing to the will of the people who jump to arguing its murder.

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        7. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp Jul 9
          Replying to @AmbrosialArts @eigenrobot

          I mean, I could say killing cops isn't murder all day long but they're still going to prosecute because everyone else thinks it's murder so unless I articulate why I don't think it's murder I have no hope of winning that argument.

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        8. Dolores  🏴 ✨‏ @AmbrosialArts Jul 9
          Replying to @bitemyapp @eigenrobot

          I think people who say they believe its murder don't actually, because they aren't willing to bring to bear overwhelming force on the matter even when they have it, often aren't even willing to advocate overwhelming force, and just shuffle their feet when confronted with it.

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        9. Dolores  🏴 ✨‏ @AmbrosialArts Jul 9
          Replying to @AmbrosialArts @bitemyapp @eigenrobot

          And yeah, sure, a few do, I'm just saying everyone else goes to bat for less.

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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 9
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          1/I think the issue is that pro-choice people see anti-abortion laws as coercion meant to force women to give over their bodies to men and, at great personal pain, grow an alien inside of them. It is seen as sort of a state-sponsored, slow motion rape, which is of a piece with

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        3. |||||‏ @insurrealist Sep 8
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @eigenrobot

          or it's about hypergamy in the majority of cases and this other stuff is mainly pretext for self-interest, i.e., politics as usual.

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        4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 8
          Replying to @insurrealist @eigenrobot

          The fact there may be a hidden unconscious layer to professed political beliefs does not vitiate the need to understand and be able to address the political beliefs. By analogy, anxiety has an unconscious and conscious component, with one feeding the other.

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        5. |||||‏ @insurrealist Sep 8
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @eigenrobot

          Sure, I just mean that at the political scale I think you'll get more robust insights from the cynical approach because at that level it's closer to evolution than good logic. Like convergent evolution, what matters is the trait, how it's produced, less so.

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        6. |||||‏ @insurrealist Sep 8
          Replying to @insurrealist @PereGrimmer @eigenrobot

          I think there's a word from anthropology about the perspective from within a belief system that I'd really like to remember right now.

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        7. |||||‏ @insurrealist Sep 8
          Replying to @insurrealist @PereGrimmer @eigenrobot

          Thank God, I remembered, what a relief. It's actually nomothetic and idiographic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomothetic_and_idiographic … I lost track of what point I was going to make with it lmao but it was useful to keep the discussion clearer, with internal dyn. of belief : politics :: idio : nomo

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