I've been chewing on a thing and I want to write about it a bit but I need to, sadly, expose my object level beliefs in advance so that I am really clearly understood at the meta. I do not have strong feelings about abortion policy, apart from a very hard preference . . .
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I'm trying to be a good Chamberlinian scientist and so I have multiple working hypotheses (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/148/3671/754 …). One is that there are values at play on the prochoice side that I don't understand or share (perhaps). Another (more interesting, I think) is that . . .
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in any political conflict, there might be a sort of van der Waals force, where intensity from one side induces a proportionate passion from the other that might not otherwise manifest. This second possibility has Broader Implications. Hm
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At least in my case personally: Babies = More or less the only form of human that won't disappoint you or let you down; no expectations on it; pure. I'm anti-death penalty and pro-life in pretty much everything else, so there's not really anything out of the norm there afaict?
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um! if you're saying you're prolife yes your take makes a lot of sense to me, if you're saying you're prochoice I'm confused (but in a neutral way you know?)
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still kinda confused+sad on how it's a left vs right issue tbh
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leaning ever more heavily on my new van der Waals hypothesis of Politic's which is probably dangeroushttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/967114911401652225 …
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Alternate possibilities: Demonic Possession Moloch Blood for Armok God of Blood Brain Parasites Aliens Robots
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Ooooh huh that's good
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Um meant for the follow-up to this but what the hell also for this one too
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Upon further reflection, an extension of it is also fear of being locked into a life they don’t want or fear they aren’t ready for
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for me, strong belief that women should have control over their own bodies, and everything in it. one can have long discussions of totalizing ethics—or leave it up to the mother, individually. it's not like that decision is ever easy, and the alternative is kind of slavery.
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Yeah, there's a long thread about this with Dolores and bitemyapp. I think I'm seeing this more clearly now. Thank ^^
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I believe it’s the same phenom as libertarians telling helicopter jokes: you want to show the ingroup you’re more serious than average, so there’s runaway selection.
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ahhhh yeah, good third hypothesis outgroup vs ingroup induced passion
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simple, women will die.
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well, it's not so simple! lots of policies (extant or absent) result in [plenty more] women dying that don't arouse similar passion why this one in particular?
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i care a lot about personal agency in my case
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That makes sense to me. I do as well but don't have strong feelings related to that here; I wonder if maybe there are multiple ways of framing "agency" in this setting.
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yes absolutely if you consider the feotus to have agency
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