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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 1

      expectation: long term effects of Roe v Wade overturn not huge, result is more like a peace treaty than a new war, everything goes back to the state level as God intended, people get Chill Unless the Left does something really really stupid Don't do anything stupid pls

      13 replies 1 retweet 33 likes
    2. Me from Before‏ @MeFromBefore Jul 2
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      Extraordinary

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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 2
      Replying to @MeFromBefore

      This is not and hasnt ever been a good hill for the left to die on, it was a massive overextension and the cost of holding the territory cannot be justified by the territory's intrinsic ideological value

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Me from Before‏ @MeFromBefore Jul 2
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      You may as well put lead back into the petrol (ehh gasoline); the social effects are similar.

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 2
      Replying to @MeFromBefore

      Oho yes the neoreactionary case for abortion :D My guess is it doesn't actually play out like that, expect the pregnancies that are actually terminated are predominantly in higher SES women. Guess we could check this huh

      8:13 AM - 2 Jul 2018
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        2. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @eigenrobot @MeFromBefore

          you should check the data on this dude.https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2016/abortion-patients-are-disproportionately-poor-and-low-income …

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot @MeFromBefore

          the issue of abortion is a classic example of cultural divide between upper bourgeois and lower bourgeoisie/prole values and behavior actually splitting in maximally hypocritical ways.

          1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
        4. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot @MeFromBefore

          upper booj strongly support abortion rights but never have abortions. lower booj/prole are much more strongly opposed to abortions but they have them much more frequently. you see the same pattern on divorce btw. strongly related issues actually.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @MeFromBefore

          Aha! Glad I hedged :D Wonder how much of this is coastal vs inland too. Not enough to look it up natch, happier to float aware of my uncertainty

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @eigenrobot @MeFromBefore

          https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/ss/ss6624a1.htm?s_cid=ss6624a1_w#T1_down … in short, blue states (and especially large population urban coastal states) have higher abortion rates

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        2. Me from Before‏ @MeFromBefore Jul 2
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          You may want to revisit the recent tweetstorms from the Irish referendum... those that could afford to travel abroad, did so. Those that couldn’t, took dangerous & horrific underground methods. Banning it won’t stop it, it just makes it unsafe for the poor (and makes more poor).

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        3. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          I agree with your analysis but disagree with your policy prescription. I agree with our robot friend that it's not a hill worth dying on for the left. It has essentially marginalized left parties in vast swathes of the states because of the roe v. wade litmus test.

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        4. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          basically you can't expect people to vote against their religious beliefs that tell them "this is a mortal sin equivalent to murder". aint gonna happen. culture leads politics, not the other way around. those communities would benefit a lot from social democratic policies though.

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        5. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          so in order to get an electoral win and move the policy landscape leftward you have to drop the litmus test and be willing to let people live according to their religious beliefs, even if it creates bad outcomes (like black market abortions).

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          that said: we're a federation of states. as long as interstate travel is available (and affordable) it's not that big of a problem, big picture wise. bus tickets solve a lot of problems.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Me from Before‏ @MeFromBefore Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

          So if Roe v Wade is overturned, it’ll be a state by state thing? That is less bad than it could have been.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        8. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          yes exactly. always understand that in the U.S. the realities of legislation are nearly always handled by the states on an individual state basis. the saving grace of our system is that we're not as centralized as it looks sometimes.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 2
          Replying to @danlistensto @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot

          Roe v. Wade isn't even a law actually. It's a judicial statute that says "no state shall pass a law curtailing a woman's right to have an abortion". So if the statute is repealed it just means that some states (a minority of them probably) will try to legislate abortion bans.

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