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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      So, for that, procedure was (i) to knock out the bird with gasseous anaesthetic, really hardcore knock out; and then (ii) decapitate it in the sink with a medical scissors. Which I did. Home, drink.

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      Another time, for some reason, we had to put a bird down in the colony (which was in another building). This was probably the worst killing. They didn't have anesthetic available at the colony, and there were no tools for a quick death available.

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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      What they *did* have was a machine that generates carbon dioxide in a sealed chamber. The thing about carbon dioxide is that (contra carbon monoxide) is that it doesn't put you to sleep; it just suffocates you. There are horrible stories of slave indigenous miners . . .

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    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      in the Andes falling into low spots in silver and mercury mines (full of CO2, because no air circulation, and CO2 is dense) and everyone standing at the side watching them suffocate. And this was the initial approach to killing Jews et al in Poland, but the executioners . . .

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    5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      all just quit on the spot after listening to people dying in the back of cars they were driving around. Anyway, it was like that. Watching this little bird desperately trying to breathe and thrashing around for 45s while it suffocated in a plastic box.

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    6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      Home. Drink.

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    7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      The piece de resistance was that the research was basically garbage. I mean--the research was fine, we learned some things about auditory learning in songbirds. But the research--I read the fucking grants--was funded on the grounds that songbird vocal learning was a model . . .

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    8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      for human auditory learning. SURPRISE. It is not a good model for humans. Songbirds have two discrete brain regions that are core for vocal learning. Neither are present in human brains.

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    9. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

      Anyway, that's the story of how I tortured and killed birds and burned god knows how much taxpayer money for a bit of knowledge with no appreciable gain in health or utility for humans. Sigh. Home. Drink. /fin

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @cunningcorvid

      yeah I mean I am miserable remembering but mostly I feel bad for the birds, you know? I dont know enough about factory farming to have a strong opinion--wife's view is that they're often more humane than alternatives--but I think people consume meat more directly than research,

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        2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          and so they have an easier time thinking about farm operation. Would be my guess anyway. :/ Anyway it's fucked up. We really are not developed enough in . . . I don't know. Something. To have this much power over others, but here we are.

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        4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @cunningcorvid

          Research grants--are you in academia? Forgive me if I am / have been talking down, not my intent at all. Research grants are allocated pretty badly, and you know. If you're a PI, and your grant doesn't go through, you're basically out of work.

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        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          And people go and train in laboratories, and learn a set of techniques that are often specific to a particular subfield. So, then maybe you get a tenure track job, you're working 100 hours/week, and if you don't get funding you're out of work and unemployable.

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          Incentives for honesty about the potential for the practical applications of your work are . . . well, not substantial. :/

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        8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @cunningcorvid

          It's really, really bad. My folks were fairly successful professors and it pretty much ruined their lives. This is a pretty weird piece (as you might expect from an engineering academic speaking on a social issue) but it hits the heart of it https://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science …

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        9.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          This thread was a depressing read but I'm glad you shared it.

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