I don't agree with this because I don't weight animal suffering and human suffering the same.
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @MorlockP
I don't either but I don't weight it zero and what's done in labs is (i) utterly ghastly, Mengele-level shit, and (ii) frequently gratuitous and also (iii) a complete waste of time and money I can talk about what I did if you have a strong stomach
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ok sure! I'm drinking now, so no problem going to untag everyone else after this, feel free to read on if you like folks
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
ok so my first lab was a corvid lab, strictly behavioral we trained em to hop on perches following lights, and to make choices about when to have food delivered this was cool and good, I had no problem with this
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
the next animal lab I worked in was birdsong neuroscience and this is what I had a problem with there were two main classes of protocols: in vivo neural monitoring, and cytology the cytology was . . . okay. ish. birds had to be killed to collect their brains . . .
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
so that we could slice them finely, for staining. The particular method of sacrifice, which was the working euphemism for killing, was a really gruesome approach called perfusion, where the chest was sliced across laterally at the aorta so the heart could exsanguinate the animal
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
The animals had to be alive for this, but they were deeply deeply and irreversibly anaesthetized, so while it was horrible to watch they didn't feel it. The in vivo monitoring was much worse I think.
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
The protocol here involved monitoring (i) certain discrete regions of the bird's brain, in real time, using implanted wires; and (ii) tracking their (sometimes silent) production of song by measuring air pressure in their lungs.
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Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid
its cool like that MIT media lab thing that lets you write just by tracking your throat muscle movements combined with an eeg
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yes like that but Horrible 
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