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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8

      I am not a vegetarian and I'm not sure they're ethically correct but I have a lot of contempt for people who go out of their way to express contempt for vegetarians and more generally for the class of people who respond to shame at virtue in others with abuse

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    2.  👻 anyone who's done anything for areo magazine  🎃‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      What's your ethical view on it? I didn't become one because of ethics but logically I think they're sound. Animals are pretty universally considered sentient, and it does seem a *little* messed up to kill them when there are alternatives.

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    3.  👻 anyone who's done anything for areo magazine  🎃‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 8

      Also have you seen how chicken companies treat the farmers+animals? Kinda messed up even without the killing.

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    4.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Jun 8
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @eigenrobot

      it took me a bit to find, but this is a great thread where @MorlockP explains his philosophy toward raising animals for meat, as well as the butchering process https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12654732 …

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    5.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Jun 8
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann @eigenrobot @MorlockP

      "It is wonderful, however, to not merely know that the animals are being treated well, but to watch them every day, enjoying their animal lives: chickens pecking at the pumpkins and squash we grow and feed them, pigs rolling around and enjoying themselves in the mud,"

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    6.  👻 anyone who's done anything for areo magazine  🎃‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 8
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann @eigenrobot @MorlockP

      His perspective on rural farming being okay confounds me just a little—speaking as someone who watched the process happening a bunch as a kid. (Grew up in insanely rural area.)

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    7.  👻 anyone who's done anything for areo magazine  🎃‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 8
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @sonyaellenmann and

      Personally, I couldn't even stand killing raccoons that were destroying things in the garden—the actual farm animals' deaths—ones I or my friends had a hand in raising—made me want to vomit. It never really gets less messed up.

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    8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @sonyaellenmann @MorlockP

      my wife hunts and is fine with animal slaughter but she's probably pretty close to temple grandin tempermentally i personally cannot do these things i worked in a laboratory where we did unspeakable things to animals and would leave work and drink to incoherence

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    9.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Jun 8
      Replying to @eigenrobot @MorlockP

      Oh god, I'm sorry, that sounds really traumatizing.

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann @MorlockP

      oh I mean I'm okay but it did leave me pretty convinced that nearly all animal research is both evil and useless

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        2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
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        3.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @MorlockP

          I don't agree with this because I don't weight animal suffering and human suffering the same.

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        4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @sonyaellenmann @MorlockP

          I don't either but I don't weight it zero and what's done in labs is (i) utterly ghastly, Mengele-level shit, and (ii) frequently gratuitous and also (iii) a complete waste of time and money I can talk about what I did if you have a strong stomach

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @cunningcorvid @sonyaellenmann @MorlockP

          ok sure! I'm drinking now, so no problem going to untag everyone else after this, feel free to read on if you like folks

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        7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          ok so my first lab was a corvid lab, strictly behavioral we trained em to hop on perches following lights, and to make choices about when to have food delivered this was cool and good, I had no problem with this

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        8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          the next animal lab I worked in was birdsong neuroscience and this is what I had a problem with there were two main classes of protocols: in vivo neural monitoring, and cytology the cytology was . . . okay. ish. birds had to be killed to collect their brains . . .

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        9. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 8
          Replying to @eigenrobot @cunningcorvid

          so that we could slice them finely, for staining. The particular method of sacrifice, which was the working euphemism for killing, was a really gruesome approach called perfusion, where the chest was sliced across laterally at the aorta so the heart could exsanguinate the animal

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