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    masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 7

    masquerobot Retweeted Benjamin Schmidt

    this is bananas but maybe good? idk what I wouldnt give for a revival of good kegan 5 humanities instruction maybe you can only get this by culling the student body by about 75% idk man universitieshttps://twitter.com/benmschmidt/status/1004098887441936384 …

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    Benjamin Schmidt @benmschmidt
    New data from @ipeds_nces out today. The share of students majoring in English has dropped by half in 20 years: in history, down 44% just since 2007. pic.twitter.com/rlmTbjkEaj
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      1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 7

        struggling to get a good take here too much is fucked up to know what to make of this I guess

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      2. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 7
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        i am a student going in what americans would call a 'major' next year (weird stuff with the way my course worked) wish there was more intersectionality with what I want to do. I'm intrested in phil & cultural studies but no real way to actually do any real 'course' stuff

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      3. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 7
        Replying to @snus_kin @eigenrobot

        they offer like one module per semester of our choice of introductorary-like courses which is nice but no official 'computer science with philosophy' stuff and if that were the case it wouldn't be integrated it would just be your time split between two schools

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      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
        Replying to @snus_kin @eigenrobot

        the entire reason i went to the brick-and-mortar i did was that it offered an AI major that was 1/3 each computer science, philosophy, and psychology

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      5. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 7
        Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

        was it integrated well at all? here at least the joint honours courses are just two courses with one module that links them if you're lucky.

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      6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 7
        Replying to @snus_kin @eigenrobot

        as far as i ever saw it could not have been less integrated, not that i finished the program or anything

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      7. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 7
        Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

        see this is the problem with the way these systems work, even in things where it should be easy to put them together they're all still branched both managerially and mentally into their own spaces. biology and chemistry are the only two trying to make ammends at the moment here..

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      8. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 7
        Replying to @snus_kin @chaosprime @eigenrobot

        i guess also some scientists are deathly afraid of the 'philosophy' word. science got a philopsphy problem but phil has a public image problem no doubth and people in the public eye (mainly jp im thinking about here) aren't helping it

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      9. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 7
        Replying to @snus_kin @chaosprime

        and this is bananas to me I took Philosophy of Science and it was one of the more valuable courses I ever took I still think about it a lot and use those frameworks when I set up research agendas something something two cultures http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/2cultures/Rede-lecture-2-cultures.pdf …

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      2. Yung Kark AKA Vladimir Leanin‏ @DoctorSergalMD Jun 7
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        majored in english and got a good job out of it (in stem industry naturally) but English sucked. low standards, dumb students, pointless books. old professors are still cool, even the lefty ones are usually weird enough to be cool, young ones are awful

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      4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 7
        Replying to @DoctorSergalMD

        I think this is what I probably believe Maybe this is what universities used to be about

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      2. Tzvi‏ @kilovh Jun 7
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        humanities education is vital for the elite. It should only be the elite that are allowed into the program. STEM by contrast (especially in the more nuts-and-bolts areas) should be for everyone. Perhaps if it was this way, the humanities would become attractive again.

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      3. [conspicuously abstract kojima-style cryptonym]‏ @swimming_blerd Jun 7
        Replying to @kilovh @eigenrobot

        whoops I misread that disagree: everyone needs skills in understanding media culture, and well as critical thinking and philosophical literacy gaming toward a Cultural Elite is asking for stagnation

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      4. Tzvi‏ @kilovh Jun 7
        Replying to @swimming_blerd @eigenrobot

        Skills in understanding media culture is really not humanities at all by my reckoning so maybe we agree more than you think

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      5. [conspicuously abstract kojima-style cryptonym]‏ @swimming_blerd Jun 7
        Replying to @kilovh @eigenrobot

        it definitely is! being able to process and respond to discursive arguments, identify relevant context, as well as assess aesthetics has always integral to a humanities education--from Aristotle to McLuhan whether or not this is actually done, however, is another story

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      6. Tzvi‏ @kilovh Jun 7
        Replying to @swimming_blerd @eigenrobot

        See though, you're describing a secondary or tertiary effect of a true humanities education, not an education itself. Imo. It is exactly this sort of mining of sources for relevant topics and making them into courses that has depleted the value of those sources.

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      7. Tzvi‏ @kilovh Jun 7
        Replying to @kilovh @swimming_blerd @eigenrobot

        "relevant humanities" is almost a contradiction imo.

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      8. [conspicuously abstract kojima-style cryptonym]‏ @swimming_blerd Jun 7
        Replying to @kilovh @eigenrobot

        what is a "true humanities education", other than studying materials, asking questions, having discussions, making claims, and arguing these claims? there's no other value to these sources other than our own diligence in understanding them it's not magic, it's just work

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      9. Tzvi‏ @kilovh Jun 7
        Replying to @swimming_blerd @eigenrobot

        The materials ought to be studied for their own sake, rather than for the sake of application in any pragmatic context.

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