struggling to get a good take here too much is fucked up to know what to make of this I guess
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i am a student going in what americans would call a 'major' next year (weird stuff with the way my course worked) wish there was more intersectionality with what I want to do. I'm intrested in phil & cultural studies but no real way to actually do any real 'course' stuff
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they offer like one module per semester of our choice of introductorary-like courses which is nice but no official 'computer science with philosophy' stuff and if that were the case it wouldn't be integrated it would just be your time split between two schools
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the entire reason i went to the brick-and-mortar i did was that it offered an AI major that was 1/3 each computer science, philosophy, and psychology
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was it integrated well at all? here at least the joint honours courses are just two courses with one module that links them if you're lucky.
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as far as i ever saw it could not have been less integrated, not that i finished the program or anything
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see this is the problem with the way these systems work, even in things where it should be easy to put them together they're all still branched both managerially and mentally into their own spaces. biology and chemistry are the only two trying to make ammends at the moment here..
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i guess also some scientists are deathly afraid of the 'philosophy' word. science got a philopsphy problem but phil has a public image problem no doubth and people in the public eye (mainly jp im thinking about here) aren't helping it
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and this is bananas to me I took Philosophy of Science and it was one of the more valuable courses I ever took I still think about it a lot and use those frameworks when I set up research agendas something something two cultures http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/2cultures/Rede-lecture-2-cultures.pdf …
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majored in english and got a good job out of it (in stem industry naturally) but English sucked. low standards, dumb students, pointless books. old professors are still cool, even the lefty ones are usually weird enough to be cool, young ones are awful
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I think this is what I probably believe Maybe this is what universities used to be about
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humanities education is vital for the elite. It should only be the elite that are allowed into the program. STEM by contrast (especially in the more nuts-and-bolts areas) should be for everyone. Perhaps if it was this way, the humanities would become attractive again.
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whoops I misread that disagree: everyone needs skills in understanding media culture, and well as critical thinking and philosophical literacy gaming toward a Cultural Elite is asking for stagnation
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Skills in understanding media culture is really not humanities at all by my reckoning so maybe we agree more than you think
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it definitely is! being able to process and respond to discursive arguments, identify relevant context, as well as assess aesthetics has always integral to a humanities education--from Aristotle to McLuhan whether or not this is actually done, however, is another story
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See though, you're describing a secondary or tertiary effect of a true humanities education, not an education itself. Imo. It is exactly this sort of mining of sources for relevant topics and making them into courses that has depleted the value of those sources.
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"relevant humanities" is almost a contradiction imo.
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what is a "true humanities education", other than studying materials, asking questions, having discussions, making claims, and arguing these claims? there's no other value to these sources other than our own diligence in understanding them it's not magic, it's just work
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The materials ought to be studied for their own sake, rather than for the sake of application in any pragmatic context.
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