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    1. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
      Replying to @Danno28_ @sonyaellenmann and

      this assessment is correct btw

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 5
      Replying to @palecur @Danno28_ and

      nooooooooooooo stay AWAY from the object level bad bad bad bad bad palecur

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
      Replying to @eigenrobot @Danno28_ and

      it's the only real level though

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    4. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
      Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

      Is the assessment correct because feminism is not the same as the belief that women aren’t all NPCs? Or is it correct because it’s logically impossible for Greer to believe women aren’t all NPCs, given her views on rape sentencing/trans rights?

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    5. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
      Replying to @Danno28_ @eigenrobot and

      the second one, as mentioned in a separate post.

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    6. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
      Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

      They really seem to be separate claims though. One is about the nature of what it is to be a person. Whereas the others are I) a view on appropriate punishments for crimes and 2) a view on the appropriate rights for trans people. What am I missing?

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    7. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
      Replying to @Danno28_ @eigenrobot and

      that a claim about one's nature can be falsified by one's positions.

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    8. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
      Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

      Why is expressing a view about criminal punishments/sentences, inconsistent with the claim “All homo sapiens - including all women - are people?” Are there any other crimes where expressing a view about the appropriate punishments is inconsistent with that claim?

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    9. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
      Replying to @Danno28_ @eigenrobot and

      "All homo sapiens are people", if it means anything, means "All people deserve some set of rights". It follows that "trans people don't deserve a subset of those rights" implies "trans people aren't people."

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    10. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
      Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

      As it happens, object level, i’m sympathetic to trans rights (INGROUP SIGNALLING!). But i am unpersuaded that believing all Homo sapiens are people is tautologically the same as saying trans people can self id for all legal purposes. (Although as noted I do support that anyway).

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 5
      Replying to @Danno28_ @palecur and

      Since we're down here in the dirt, a taxonomic question Probably few before idk 2005 had Progressive opinions about trans people @palecur would you say eg the Suffragettes were feminist or naw, True Feminism is only possible now Maybe there is a truer Undiscoved feminism?

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        2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
          Replying to @eigenrobot @Danno28_ and

          It's always defining a goal and asymptotically improving upon it, just like 'Liberty' meant 'for white landowning dudes' and has been refined over time. Were suffragettes feminist by today's standards? Is a hoplon a soldier today?

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        3. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

          I think that’s a fine and worthy answer if the claim was “a feminist is someone who believes in trans rights today, someone who favoured votes for women in 1920 etc”. But this is not at all the same as the claim - “a feminist is someone who believes women are people.”

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        4. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
          Replying to @Danno28_ @palecur and

          We may well welcome progress made in extending rights. And we may even want to characterise that progress as feminist/feminism. But then it doesn’t make sense to say that feminism amounts to nothing stronger/more controversial than the belief that women are people.

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        5. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Jun 5
          Replying to @Danno28_ @eigenrobot and

          how do you figure?

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        6. Danno the manno‏ @Danno28_ Jun 5
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot and

          Well you can believe women are people if you believe women are Homo sapiens and that a reasonable definition of people is that it refers to Homo sapiens. It doesn’t seem to me that belief additionally requires particular ever-evolving stances on the hot button issues of the day.

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