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CompSci Lecturer. Go player. Programming language researcher. Idris hacker. Denies knowledge of Whitespace. He/him. http://tinyurl.com/TypeDD 

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    1. Soham Chowdhury‏ @evertedsphere Feb 3
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      Normalisation, how to do it fast for the untyped lambda-calculus by means of evaluation, and why we care (together with some of the required type theory/PLT background): first of a series, hopefully. Feel free to yell at me in replies about mistakes etc!http://colimit.net/posts/normalisation-by-evaluation/ …

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    2. David Thrane Christiansen‏ @d_christiansen Feb 3
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      Replying to @evertedsphere @mrkgrnao

      You've got a "TODO how?" in there :-)

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    3. Soham Chowdhury‏ @evertedsphere Feb 3
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      Replying to @d_christiansen

      I think I'll leave that in until I understand that part to my satisfaction haha

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    4. David Thrane Christiansen‏ @d_christiansen Feb 3
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      Replying to @evertedsphere @mrkgrnao

      Here's my take: with de Bruijn indices, variables need to be incremented when you put them under a new binder. They refer to binding sites relative to their occurrence. Levels refer to them absolutely and thus don't need incrementing under a new binder.

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    5. Brendan Zabarauskas‏ @brendanzab Feb 3
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      Replying to @d_christiansen @mrkgrnao

      My (probably bad) understanding is that the nifty thing about indices is that you can avoid having to rename things. The nifty thing about levels is that you can move around terms without having to shift indices. Combining them together with NbE gets you the best of both somehow?

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    6. David Thrane Christiansen‏ @d_christiansen Feb 3
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      Replying to @brendanzab @mrkgrnao

      Indices are nicer for writing evaluators (they basically say how far up the stack to look for the value). The way I see it, levels are nice for free variables, and indices for bound variables. Boundness vs freeness depends on your perspective :-)

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    7. Brendan Zabarauskas‏ @brendanzab Feb 3
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      Replying to @d_christiansen @mrkgrnao

      The thing that kind of makes me unhappy about the approach is the fact that you have to copy around the entire environment all the time, regardless of if any of it is used. Seems a tad wasteful, but I dunno.

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    8. Rob Rix‎‏ @rob_rix Feb 3
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      Replying to @brendanzab @d_christiansen @mrkgrnao

      it’s really *very* expensive traversing trees and substituting a lot too, tho. (in the context of a dependently-typed lang where you’ve probably got higher-order unification, anyway)

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    9. Edwin Brady‏ @edwinbrady Feb 3
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      Replying to @rob_rix @brendanzab and

      Haven't read the OP properly yet (I will!), but I just want to add that it looks very much like how Idris 2 evaluates, and that basically never substitutes during unification. Because, as you say, it hurts...

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      Edwin Brady‏ @edwinbrady Feb 3
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      So it uses indices throughout, and never looks inside a value unless it really needs to.

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        1. Brendan Zabarauskas‏ @brendanzab Feb 3
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          Yeah, the levels+indices approach mentioned here is used in smalltt from what I've seen, which seems to be what you're doing in Idris 2!

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