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    1. Bruce Kirkpatrick‏ @bruceekirk 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @bruceekirk @EdB_Ohio and

      Bruce Kirkpatrick Retweeted Elisabeth Bik

      she *specifically* says that quality science depends on people like her to vet papers that might have slipped through the peer-review cracks. that endorses *more* peer review, not that it’s somehow fallacious or an appeal to authority to have the processhttps://twitter.com/microbiomdigest/status/1121798695689703425?s=21 …

      Bruce Kirkpatrick added,

      Elisabeth BikVerified account @MicrobiomDigest
      Most of the work detecting these problems in science papers is done by volunteers like me. It takes perseverance and patience. Many journals, authors, and academic institutions will not take action.
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    2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @bruceekirk @EdB_Ohio @MicrobiomDigest

      You beat me to it. Also, no one—and I mean NO ONE—claims that passing peer review represents "automatic validation of an idea."

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. William Belcher‏ @EdB_Ohio 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @bruceekirk @MicrobiomDigest

      Beat you to what? Why do you specifically ask for peer reviewed literature?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. PZ Myers  🕷‏ @pzmyers 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @EdB_Ohio @gorskon and

      I also ask that my food be properly inspected and cooked. That doesn't guarantee that it will be good. It's a *minimal* standard.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. William Belcher‏ @EdB_Ohio 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @pzmyers @gorskon and

      Better not eat at your relatives' homes over the holidays unless you get their kitchens and food preparation methods tested. *Minimal* standard and all. It's only fair to assume the food is bad without having a stamp of approval.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Bruce Kirkpatrick‏ @bruceekirk 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @EdB_Ohio @pzmyers and

      agreed, that minimum standard is executed by people selected to do it, like servers or cooks at a restaurant, not your random family members. analogy applies well to why you shouldn’t take Aunt Flo’s medical advice at face value unless she’s also a professional in that field

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. William Belcher‏ @EdB_Ohio 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @bruceekirk @pzmyers and

      But we should trust her food without peer review?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Bruce Kirkpatrick‏ @bruceekirk 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @EdB_Ohio @pzmyers and

      depends on the “impact” of her food. is it going to be consumed by the public (as with published research)? if so, absolutely yes. this is the reason we have food inspectors and restaurants are assigned grades. it’s almost like a peer review process for food actually exists!

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. William Belcher‏ @EdB_Ohio 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @bruceekirk @pzmyers and

      LOL now it's only if consumed by the public!

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Bruce Kirkpatrick‏ @bruceekirk 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @EdB_Ohio @pzmyers and

      i mean, America is generally pretty big on private freedoms. you can eat all kinds of nasty stuff at home, but if you try to do that in a restaurant, they’ll ask you to leave. we’re debating merits of peer review in the publication process, which is by definition for the public

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      William Belcher‏ @EdB_Ohio 2 Jun 2019
      Replying to @bruceekirk @pzmyers and

      I am NOT debating the merits of peer review. I am debating the tactic of citing peer review as if it makes an idea above reproach and also that lack of such invalidates an idea.

      7:39 AM - 2 Jun 2019
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        1. Bruce Kirkpatrick‏ @bruceekirk 2 Jun 2019
          Replying to @EdB_Ohio @pzmyers and

          Bruce Kirkpatrick Retweeted Bruce Kirkpatrick

          if that’s your point, then no one is arguing with you. it fits into the restaurant analogy https://twitter.com/bruceekirk/status/1135190085765279745?s=21 … but not the way you framed it, or the way you’ve been carrying the debate forward. of course non-reviewed material can be good! this is what a “preprint” is.

          Bruce Kirkpatrick added,

          Bruce Kirkpatrick @bruceekirk
          Replying to @pzmyers @EdB_Ohio and 2 others
          awesome analogy. most food arriving at the table ends up being quality, less bad stuff slips through the cracks (but some still does and takes further review — by you or another third party). you’re not sucking up to “the man” because he said your food was edible!
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        1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 2 Jun 2019
          Replying to @EdB_Ohio @bruceekirk and

          Ah, so you're debating against a straw man. No one, least of all myself argues that passing peer review "makes an idea above reproach" or that "lack of peer review invalidates an idea."

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