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He/Him. Trans Journo. Views expressed are representative of that Dunkin Donuts I worked in one summer.

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    1. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      And that kinda fucks with the immutability argument, doesn't it. I have a short story, that I've told on here before. It's about Sandy Stier, one of the plaintiffs in the Prop 8 case in California that was going to re-ban marriage equality.

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    2. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      The attorneys on our side, the equality side, had to argue that laws that discriminated based on sexual orientation deserved a CLOSE LOOK by the judges. And that meant they had to argue that sexual orientation was a "protected class," a "discrete and insular minority."

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    3. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      Little problem. Sandy Stier had been previously married to a man. And if Sandy could get married to a man, then how was this law discriminatory? She can get MARRIED, just not to another woman! She's making a CHOICE. CHOICES aren't protected in US law.

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    4. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      Well, the lawyers had to show that Sandy didn't have a choice. That her queerness was immutable. I don't have the transcripts in front of me, so I'll summarize.

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    5. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      David Boies: Sandy, you were married to a man. Sandy Stier: Yes David Boies: Did you love him? Sandy Steir: I didn't love anyone until I met Kris Perry. David Boies: INTERESTING!!!!!! **turns meaningfully to the judge** Innnnnnteresting. **strokes chin** interesting.

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    6. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      Now let me be clear, I am NOT saying that Sandy Stier DID love her husband. Or that she's bi or anything. I don't know Sandy. What I AM saying is that the lawyers in Prop 8 HAD TO show that Sandy was never ever ever ever straight and didn't love a SINGLE PERSON before Kris.

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    7. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      And that's just NOT TRUE for many of us in the queer community. Some of us fell in love with someone of a similar gender after YEARS of love with someone of a different gender Some of us realized our own gender identity after DECADES of life in another gender identity.

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    8. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      AND Some of us went back to loving people of a different gender after some time with a partner of a similar gender. Are we traitors? And some of us moved on in our gender transition. Moved on towards a gender more aligned with our gender assigned at birth. Are we traitors?

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    9. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      And so where does that leave us? Where are we in the conversation around immutability?

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    10. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10

      The answer is unclear, because, as I said up top, the greater Left and even the LGBT advocacy establishment lack a clear narrative around fluidity. And the Right knows this. And capitalizes on it. And here we have Milo, crawling back on to ANY STAGE he can find.

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      Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq Mar 10
      Replying to @herong

      I think you'll probably hate this, but I see bisexual and gender fluid people as free riders- the rights are necessary for people who don't experience fluidity, and the people who do are able to, happily, benefit.

      1:00 PM - 10 Mar 2021
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        2. Emily  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @womens_rea_ Mar 10
          Replying to @e_urq @herong

          I'm not sure I understand this point- are you using bisexual to mean bi people in het relationships?

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        3. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq Mar 10
          Replying to @womens_rea_ @herong

          I mean someone who could, theoretically, choose to limit their marriage options to opposite-sex people out of the people they're attracted to.

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        2. Heron "see pinned tweet" Greenesmith, Esq.‏ @herong Mar 10
          Replying to @e_urq

          I do hate it!

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        3. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq Mar 10
          Replying to @herong

          Heh. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd still be completely in favor of LGBTQ rights on the basis of freedom... but I don't think it's necessary to base them in liberty rather than 'born this way' given enough people for whom 'born this way' is accurate, which we definitely have.

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