Evan Urquhart

I did a fun (for me) science thread, but I promised I'd do a thread about trans men, virilismia, and the stigma against ugly women, so let's go! To start out: Are you a trans man whose spent some part of your life being perceived as an ugly woman? What do you make of that?

(this is obviously a point of overlap with transmascs, so your answers are very welcome. Trans women have their own interactions w/ stigma against ugly women, but I'll be talking with and about trans men/transmascs for this thread)

Ugly women (and ugly 'categories' of women like older women, fat women, disabled women) are often left out of discussions of women as a category in a way that subtly undermine their womanhood.

For example, it's common to hear a cis man say "women have so much power over men, one look and blah blah sexist bs" and even if you take it at face value they're using "women" as a synonym for very attractive, young women.

So, how does this category conflation of "woman" with "pretty" intersect with virilismia?

Often, when you see transphobes talking about the damage being done to our bodies with testosterone or surgery, what they're really complaining about is that we're being made less pretty. There's also a lot of this in the "lost butches" lesbian-TERF narrative.

You look at how prominent detransitioners are talked about, like Keira Bell, and it's dripping with an attitude of "this poor young girl was made into an uggo monster." The facial hair, the body hair, the deep voice- what straight man would ever want to have sex with us?

This is woven into counseling around testosterone, and gatekeeping trans male transition. "Effects are permanent. You can never go back." But, you CAN go back to thinking of yourself as a woman. You CAN go back to presenting femme. You can never go back... to being fuckable.