More toxic concept of misandry? Or is it letting actual misandry in and change the way we talk about transmisandry?
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Replying to @Valaquesse @e_urq and
I feel like it's naming a very real variant of general misandry and giving us the chance to change how we talk about it, and misandry as a whole.
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Replying to @wesnotcrusher @Valaquesse and
I didn't coin transandrophobia, but I've talked about it pretty extensively!https://nothorses.tumblr.com/post/628204907465441280/on-transandrophobia …
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Replying to @not_horses @wesnotcrusher and
my opinion is that the word is clunky and not ideal, but its also the best one available right now, and the best understood. it gets the point across intuitively and without having to explain the difference between cis misandry (not real) and trans misandry (real)
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Replying to @not_horses @wesnotcrusher and
Idk. I think (cis) misandry is quite real. Its just very very different to misogyny in its effect and scale.
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Replying to @Valaquesse @not_horses and
I agree with you. I also think it may come from a very different place than misogyny.
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Replying to @wesnotcrusher @Valaquesse and
IMO it's not real on a systemic level, if anything. cis men absolutely do suffer from misogyny, though, and patriarchal gender role enforcement.
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Replying to @not_horses @wesnotcrusher and
Sure. I guess my understanding of misandry is that it is very much intertwined with gender role enforcement. Misandry and misogyny are ultimately part of a system of gender compliance...
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Replying to @Valaquesse @not_horses and
The expectation upon AMAB folk to fulfill a masculine role is damaging on an individual (if not systemic) level. Its not a popular opinion and I will probably get some shit for saying this but a lot of transmisogyny is misandry. The idea that all men and all AMAB people are...
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Replying to @Valaquesse @not_horses and
violent, sexual predators is misandric. The ways in which men are generally excluded from aspects of parenting and caregiving are about maintaining that gendered status quo. Misandry gets reflected in things like mental health outcomes, homelessness stats, lower life expectancy.
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Not to speak for trans women, but I think the community concluded that the threat of playing into the idea that they're "really" men outweighs any detriment of less-clear language, And, I think that could be a valid concern for trans men as well...
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Replying to @e_urq @Valaquesse and
...in deciding if we want to talk about how sexism/misogyny impacts us honestly, vs reinforcing WE ARE MEN in all language. The calculation is different bc of the relative social position of men and women. Saying WE ARE MEN too strongly risks being itself misogynist.
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i 100% agree that those things are problems, but the known use and meaning of the word "misandry" is tied into MRAs insisting it's a system equal to misogyny. and I think the idea that patriarchy/misogyny only targets women is problematic to begin with.
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