Evan Urquhart

this has been my experience also. folks tends to assume that if you're standing up for a group, you're part of said group (folks have told me I must hate white ppl bc I support BLM, fr ex.) I think they're maybe telling on themselves? They wouldn't do that so no one would?

I think another part of it- for the more TERFy, deeper in transphobes, is that they believe trans men transition to earn male privilege and therefore couldn't be facing any sort of discrimination or prejudice of our own.

Oh yeah, they hit that one hard, and there have been days I got to hear that from transphobes *and" from trans people. It's not *super* fun like I would not recommend this experience if you're a cis woman trying to escape sexism

Cis privilige is better than male privilige

I hesitate to really say that but I think they're closely related and hard to untangle and just... I can point to the things that got easier, they do exist. But the costs also do.

Right! There are legit struggles thst come with being a guy, and with being trans. We don't get to talk about them much, except amongst ourselves, but being a trans masc person *does* have its own unique struggles, and we need room to talk about BOTH parts of that identity.

Cis men talk about how masculinity is constantly policed and very fragile - it can be lost - and a ton of toxic behavior is about protecting it. I've had amazing conversations about that with guys trying to fix it... And about how it hits me too. Sometimes differently.

the relationship that both cis and trans men/mascs* have with masculinity is really nuanced and interesting, and the way we are told to express it is... idk. Like you can go so far into masculinity as a woman and it's 'okay', but you go into full man mode and then it's not?