Evan Urquhart

Big umbrella term, yep, saw that part. I'll have a look at the pinned thread- it'll take a minute because I'm on tweetdeck so I'll have to go find you on twitter proper, but I want to take in as much context as necessary before blowing you away with my unimpeachable logic (lol).

Looking forward to it. I've got bookmarks and am not afraid to use them.

Am I right in thinking that by transsexual you mean someone who has had genital surgery? Maybe someone who both passes and has genital surgery, but not someone who passes and hasn't had genital surgery? But, genital surgery is crucial- I'm not getting that wrong?

There's usually some kind of meaningful transition and attempt to actually live as the opposite sex. Not all of them have bottom surgery; that was the thing I was naive about. I'm fine with the ones who at least attempt to pass as female but some just take the everlasting mickey

Hmm. OK, I'm glad I asked for clarification. I'm not sure we have as much disagreement as I thought. Are you saying that trans women should be treated as women except in rare cases where they are so gender nonconforming as to be visually indistinguishable from men?

I don't agree 100% but it does seem like a pretty small corner of the issue and maybe not worth disputing too strongly. It also sounds like you think passing is pretty important, maybe more important than genitals, which makes my standard thought experiment less relevant.

My standard thought experiment (to lay cards on the table), being whether trans men should be allowed total access to women only spaces, regardless of how uncomfortable they make women, and how to stop cis men from pretending to be trans men.