How can a self interested, defensive individual reliably tell if others are engaging in "moral grandstanding" vs hurt and upset bc they've engaged in racism, sexism, sexual harassment, or transphobia?
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Replying to @e_urq @Yascha_Mounk
Generally, the difference is they can and will answer questions with specific answers instead of chanting tautologies at you.
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Replying to @Grown_UpWoman @Yascha_Mounk
Who, exactly? We all live in this online environment where people will come out of the woodwork to chant a tautology and disappear. If you discount every argument that has even a single tautology-chanter associated with it, you'll end up discount every argument.
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Replying to @e_urq @Yascha_Mounk
Good point, but the people you refer to don't want a good faith debate. I love a debate. If I could be paid to do nothing but debate all day, I'd love it. And by "debate" I mean "consider both sides of the argument and work towards a solution." I don't argue for the sake of it.
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Replying to @Grown_UpWoman
Hey, same. For me the key has been to find the smartest person on the other side of the argument, and ignore anyone who isn't adding anything. Whereas I think Mounk and Rauch are in a mode of ignoring the other side if some people on it aren't meeting their standards.
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Replying to @e_urq
Perhaps. I give them the benefit of the doubt, mostly because they haven't told me off for discussing The Subject That Must Not Be Named. Mind you, I daresay it's because I'm not being horrible to anyone.
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Replying to @Grown_UpWoman
You're talking about transgender rights? A topic I have discussed fruitfully countless times, and often even convinced people on the other side to change some of their thinking around, but which apparently is impossible to have a civil conversation about.
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Replying to @e_urq
Eh, I like being civil. What I don't like is being told that safeguarding is transphobic and that women shouldn't have personal boundaries. Them's fightin' words.
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Replying to @Grown_UpWoman
You'd have to be a bit more specific for me to know what I think of that. Who do you mean by women and what kind of boundaries are you referring to?
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Grown_UpWoman Retweeted Grown_UpWoman
Look through this thread:https://mobile.twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290651269619744771 …
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Grown_UpWoman @Grown_UpWomanReplying to @TgeigsFirst we need to agree on what that phrase means. I believe trans rights are human rights and ought to be enshrined in law and upheld at all times. The trouble is, some people are confused as to what those rights are -- and ought to be. Tautologies don't work in real life.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
Great, so it seems like I was right in thinking it has something to do with women only spaces, and that by women (in that context) you mean natal women? Natal women being allowed to do a specific thing, which is exclude trans women from certain spaces? Any corrections to that?
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