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    Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

    I'll do a thread about detransition, why not?

    9:23 AM - 17 Oct 2019
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      2. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        Before discussing detransition/desistance, it's important to note that there's no clear definition of what these terms mean. Is someone who experiments with they/them pronouns and a nickname for 3 months detransitioning or desisting when they stop? I would say no!

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      3. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        I'd only call someone a detransitioner if they took concrete, permanent steps to transition lasting a yr or more, then reversed the steps. Detransition shouldn't include anyone who tried something out for a bit that had no permanent impact on their life.

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      4. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        Numbers about detransition are legitimately hard to find. The best numbers we have suggest that rates of detransition are extremely low. However, there are few enough studies and low enough sample sizes that a rational person could wonder if they tell the whole story.

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      5. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        For instance, this study of providers found that 22 patients out of 22,725 (!) regretted getting transition surgery because their gender identity wasn't what it was when they sought surgery. Yes, that's 22 out of 22,725.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6212091/ …

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      6. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        A critique of this study could fairly say: 1. It only looks at post-surgery patients, not those who went on hormones, made a legal name change, or other big steps. 2. It's based on provider reports, so detransitioners who didn't tell a doctor their regrets were missed.

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      7. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        Those arguments are valid enough that I would agree that studies have under counted detransitioners, more likely than not. But then, I would encourage you to ask: By how much have they undercounted, do we think?

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      8. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        Forget study methods for a minute, and come with me to a place I like to call The Real World. In The Real World, patients get prescribed a medication or undergo medical procedures, and doctors follow up to a greater or lesser extent.

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      9. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        In The Real World, doctors don't see most patients throughout their whole lives, and are more likely to see them when there is a problem. Studies are helpful in quantifying if there are more complications than docs realize, or results are less favorable than they hoped.

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      10. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        What studies DON'T generally show is a massive numbers of patients who were extremely dissatisfied with a procedure, to the point of blaming the doctor who performed it, while the doctor remained totally unaware that there were any problems at all.

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      11. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        It is perfectly sensible to say, okay, the data shows less than 1% of patients detransition... but maybe it's something more like 2-3%.

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      12. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        It is NOT sensible to say okay, the data shows less than 1% of patients detransition, but eff that, it's probably 30% because I personally detransitioned, or because I personally have a hunch trans people will have regrets.

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      13. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        Common sense tells us that it's easy to meet trans people who have stayed transitioned for decades, who have lived most of their lives post-transition, and it's hard to find detransitioners. Sooo... maybe detransition is rare? And, look, the studies back that up.

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      14. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        So, the bottom line is that anyone who posits a huge number of hiding, quiet detransitioners that no study has ever been able to find is not using Occam's razor, or science. They're basing it on prejudice.

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      15. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        In summary: It's perfectly rational to believe that detransitioners are undercounted in studies that find extremely low numbers. It is irrational to believe they are massively undercounted to the point where it would change our understanding of transition or trans lives.

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      16. Evan Urquhart‏ @e_urq 17 Oct 2019

        And, people who are invested in there being massive numbers of detransitioners often try to fudge things so that an AFAB who wears a baseball cap for a while, then stops, is a detransitioner instead of sticking to people who take permanent, long term transition steps.

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