Evan Urquhart

Maybe you don't understand why you object to trans women competing as women? Because you keep bringing up unfairness, but we've already disposed of that. We have a values dispute that wouldn't be settled even if I proved to you that the competition is fair.

You didn't answer my questions. Don't pivot.

I told you- the question of unfairness is pointless to discuss further. We have a values conflict that supersedes it.

Why because dudes are dudes? And arent women? Fine.

Right- and I asked, why can't dudes and women compete? What I say is consistent. Men and women should compete, except for a statistical advantage men have. If you take away that advantage, there's no reason "X is man" would mean "X shouldn't compete with women."

Why would a dude compete if he had to take hormones to compete? Thus lowering chances of winning. Why compete at all? Or still, just compete as your sex.

These Qs are on the right track- and I'm sure you and I would have different answers. But, it's crucial to understand that most people would answer with "Who cares? Live and let live. If there's no competitive advantage let them do what they want."

That's perty demeaning to actual women to say who cares if dudes start setting women's records.