Evan Urquhart

I think that's as far as we can go. We have a values difference. I care about unfairness, you don't really care whether it's unfair bc you oppose trans women competing as women for some other reason. Arguing about unfairness is pointless in that case.

It is inherently unfair to actual biological women. You care about height and weight differences. I care that real women are getting trampled on by fake women.

Again, you've already said that the unfairness question isn't at the root of your objection so I don't see why we're talking about it. If you want to talk about your real objection to trans women competing with women you'll have to tell me what it is.

They are dudes! That's it.

Why shouldn't dudes and chicks compete? My reason is: they have different ability levels (statistically). If you change that, I have no problem with them competing. Or if, say, a particular girl is as good as men in a particular sport, she should be allowed to compete with them.

How many women can dunk a basketball? Maybe a few at most. How many nba players can dunk? Nearly everyone or everyone. How many women can throw a 95 mph fastball? I haven't heard of any? How many mlb guys can do this?

Maybe you don't understand why you object to trans women competing as women? Because you keep bringing up unfairness, but we've already disposed of that. We have a values dispute that wouldn't be settled even if I proved to you that the competition is fair.

You didn't answer my questions. Don't pivot.