After the talk a number of people approached me saying that was the main/best talk of the conference (200+ talks overall); people who missed it (7 parallel tracks) was asking for video/slides because everybody around is talking about it...
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The topic was last-minute shoved into Maintainers Summit happening next day as first 1-hour slot: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-discuss/2019-September/006908.html …
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It took 2 weeks to condense everything I wanted to say in structured form in 45 min talk. Then I was asked to compress it to 5 min overnight (the summit is about discussion not presentation). A detailed write up of the summit part is posted by
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Initially I wasn't sure how to interpret the outcome, it wasn't No and it wasn't Yes. But several people later told me that it is "as good as it could possibly practically be". There is now a discussion about requirements for kernel dev tooling: https://lore.kernel.org/workflows/CAMuHMdW3Nca8S1OcJPPPbxZPOKvoN-5SYE_QR3Kh-ukWFFTuAg@mail.gmail.com/T/#m4c2793f4dbe499fb4119a1ec36e175b7c8398a84 …
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I hope a more complete proposal for the project will be put together later. There was no concrete discussion about testing defragmentation, but testing people wasn't in the room. However, there was a parallel 2 day CKI hackfest organized by
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with lots of very practical discussions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EIU-GEJpChfB2TLzi3ebXQqUnXQ1CQ2gyl48FE-dfQI … at this point there seems to be a complete agreement that as much as possible needs to be defragmented and shared. That's it for now. Stay tuned.
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Great talk and great work Dmitry! The excerpt "10'000 bugs x 10'000 forks = 100'000'000 bugs" should be frightening enough for most infra projects to reflect and think about improving quality, testing and release. A great opportunity to introduce such methodologies to modern dev
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IMHO, it was the most important topic discussed and your analysis was spot on. We’re fighting the same fight at many places because upstream workflow is broken.
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Thanks , Damitry for the talk and the thought process you have ...people in the kernel community will surely weigh that. One more time, kudo for taking initiative.
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I hope they get their s(tuff together. In order to achieve that, the first step is to acknowledge the problem. This talk has the potential to act as an eye-opener. I hope it reaches the cortex of the decision makers.
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