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Pavel Durov
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Founder, CEO at @telegram (2013), founder, ex-CEO of @vkontakte (2006), part-time troll. Also @durov on Instagram, Snapchat, VK, Facebook.

Dubai, United Arab Emirates
t.me/durov
Joined September 2008

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    1. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      Many don't seem to understand why I object to @Telegram having unsafe, censorable public channels in an app that is promoted as a secure messenger. Some presumed I just don't understand how channels work. So let's talk about it:

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    2. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      Background: @Telegram has a special position in Iran. Its "public channels" are an important source of news for many low-tech users. Competing services are often blocked, but Telegram makes concessions to avoid this (like setting up local CDNs https://www.iranhumanrights.org/2017/07/telegrams-efforts-to-increase-download-speed-in-iran-could-aid-state-censors/ … ).

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    3. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      This is both a good and bad thing. On one hand, keeping people who don't understand and will never learn what Tor and VPNs connected to a big and difficult-to-moderate communications ecosystem is valuable, when the government largely has but two moves: "block" or "not block."

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    4. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      On the other, it means @Telegram will face increasing pressure over time to collaborate with the Iranian government's demands for this or that. Today we saw the communications minister demand a big channel be shut down. And here's where we start getting into complexity.

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    5. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      Should Telegram shut one Iranian channel down to preserve access to all the others? Most would say "of course." It's more important to keep that tether to their ecosystem alive, right? They're in something close to a monopoly position, where the fallback for many is unsafe SMS.

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    6. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      If we presume @Durov is acting morally, this might sound like an argument for Telegram to do whatever they can to keep their Iranian presence alive. But this is unsustainable, which he should know: after all, he was forced from Russia for not doing enough favors at Vkontakte.

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    7. Edward Snowden‏Verified account @Snowden 30 Dec 2017

      You can't keep an independent, destabilizing service from being blocked in authoritarian regimes, you can only delay it. So you need to be thinking about how to continuing protecting people by making the service accessible *even after the block.*

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    8. Pavel Durov‏Verified account @durov 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Snowden @telegram

      FYI. Thousands of opposition channels are thriving on Telegram, and we don't care what local politicians have to say about it. We enforce rules only if a particular public channel violates our very simple ToS – no public calls for violence, no porn, no copyright infringement.

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      Pavel Durov‏Verified account @durov 30 Dec 2017
      Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

      And even those limitations we do have are forced on us by the mobile platforms which threaten to kick @telegram from AppStore/Google Play every once in a while for being too libertarian. Realistically, you can't have more freedom than on @telegram in a mobile app for iOS/Android.

      12:52 PM - 30 Dec 2017 from Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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        2. Steffen Christensen‏ @Wikisteff 31 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          Am I missing something here? This seems trivial to manipulate through state action: just send in a few dozen bots or trolls to threaten violence on a channel, then officially ask for it to be shut down by TOS. Easy peasy.

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        3. null‏ @nullvirtue 31 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Wikisteff @durov and

          Channels are a one way broadcast, they are not group chats.

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        1.  🏳Bahar 🏳‏ @Bahareh_Iran 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          @durov you proved that you standing on the side where they kill innocent people.

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        1. Narges sh‏ @1narges1 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          I don't think people in Iran would trust @telegram anymore. I bet Telegram's golden time is ended here.

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        1. ممد ننه قاسم‏ @eldar_azer 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          #DurovShameOnYou 🖕

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        1. [Alien]‏ @alien_2003 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          Why do you even care about Google Play? There is f-Droid which doesn't have restrictions. And iOS is only available on 2.5 devices...

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        1. Edson Copque‏ @EdsonCopque 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          Not convinced, @Durov!

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        1. Rayman Saf‏ @razorinka 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          Unblock @amadnews

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        1. mehrdad‏ @mehrdadirvij 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          shame on you! Pavel Durov

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        1. مدافع رباتهام‏ @No2Ria 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          sorry, @durov what amadnews did and we do is called SELFDEFENCE! We are beaten, tortured, imprisoned and killed. Or options and channels of communication are small. No place to go into details here but you did the Islamic Republic a big favor today.

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        1. A‏ @A83848758 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          You are their dog too,, shame on you

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        1. sedjav‏ @sedjav 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          as @Snowden pointed out you've made a deal with the Iranian intelligence to block the channel to avoid being blocked altogether. That channel which you blocked has sources across the intelligence apparatus and they will reveal the details of your deal, I assure you.

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        1. William Collier‏ @MrBillCollier 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          You lie. I stand with #azadi for Iran! #Iranprotests

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        1. robber‏ @reza_sh161 30 Dec 2017
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          Unblock amadnews

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        1. Shaheenchev‏ @shaheenchevv 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          Oh yeah? Hundreds of ISIS channels didn’t violate your ToS but a news channel that was organizing protest against Putin’s favorite regime violated them? Shame on you.

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        1. شولا‏ @sholaye_oryani 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          You are a lier! How do you come up to delete the second and third channel which is just crated 2 hours ago and belongs to opposition of iranian regime after posting two vedios of today demonestrations!!

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        1. Gopnikov Ivan‏ @gopnikov_ivan 30 Dec 2017
          Replying to @durov @Snowden @telegram

          позорище ты ебаное!

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