It really is - which is why I said it needs to do better. Which I think is where the convo should be going, especially since the shows were extremely white - and given recent hosting gigs from other communities have a chance of being so as well.
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I think I agree with you in spirit here, truly. I never watched G4. It was just super upsetting to see a lot of folks uncritically pumped for a thing where the first thing I saw when looking it up is a crack about how the only good thing about a certain game was the naked women.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
yeah i watched it non-stop, like G4 was my lifeline for a lot of reasons. and sadly a lot of what was preserved were the most awful of things - not to mention the lack of community management on the fan side. but G4 was more than that as well which i think is being missed -
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I...I want to push back a bit, because I've had a lot of folks in my mentions and in chats today dismissing it as a product of its time in a way that feels kind of gross to me. I don't want to dismiss the fact that there was probably a lot of good there for folks, but...I dunno.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
I get it! I don't think "it's a product of its time" is always dismissive. For me the 2000s gaming scene was acceptable then and isn't now, and we have to look at the why there, to make sure it isn't replicated. BC it is a different time then and we need to ensure -
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir @duckvalentine
- it doesn't repeat itself. but i also spent half my grad school in history and having to see it that way and that line is used to dismiss people calling out important things all the time too. i just think for G4, i experienced the good it did. and that's what i look to -
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir @duckvalentine
- while also making sure as hell to call out the bad loudly when/if it happens again.
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I'm really glad you got so much good out of it and thanks for telling me about it. I don't think it assuages my immediate recoil at seeing and hearing about the grossness. But I know we're both here cheering real loud for it to be nothing be good, diverse, and welcoming now.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
Oh definitely! I just think we have to critique and see things, especially when we're doing to uplift other marginalized folks. like as a women i felt like i belonged bc of G4, but there were next to now POC on that channel which is another access. I see its good -
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir @duckvalentine
but i will 100% not deny its bad. and you're right, i will be super loud if/when they fail to actually create a welcoming space for EVERYONE in gaming.
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I know you will! :)
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