I never watched G4 but I just opened some clips to see what the fuss is about but I've already heard two real sexist jokes and it's giving off real Big Gamer Bro Energy so, uh, meh I guess?
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
G4 was vital to making me feel seen as a girl with no other women gamers around me whatsoever. Olivia and Morgan were so important to me not putting down my controller in high school. It should do better now that its back but I'd be lying if I didn't say how it impacted me.
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I think it is absolutely possible to simultaneously hold the view that that network did some really important stuff to make sure women talking about games were elevated and visible, while simultaneously using a lot of language and themes that made other women feel alienated.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
It really is - which is why I said it needs to do better. Which I think is where the convo should be going, especially since the shows were extremely white - and given recent hosting gigs from other communities have a chance of being so as well.
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I think I agree with you in spirit here, truly. I never watched G4. It was just super upsetting to see a lot of folks uncritically pumped for a thing where the first thing I saw when looking it up is a crack about how the only good thing about a certain game was the naked women.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
yeah i watched it non-stop, like G4 was my lifeline for a lot of reasons. and sadly a lot of what was preserved were the most awful of things - not to mention the lack of community management on the fan side. but G4 was more than that as well which i think is being missed -
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W odpowiedzi do @OhMyMithrandir
I...I want to push back a bit, because I've had a lot of folks in my mentions and in chats today dismissing it as a product of its time in a way that feels kind of gross to me. I don't want to dismiss the fact that there was probably a lot of good there for folks, but...I dunno.
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I think there are folks engaging with the bad and good and there are folks who easily dismiss the bad because they want to unapologetically embrace nostalgia even if it's harmful. I'm not at all saying you're the latter, just I've engaged with a lot of it today and it's....bleh.
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W odpowiedzi do @duckvalentine
I agree! i'm with you there and you said it better then my long response
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