What's really interesting about the discourse around Mary Sue is that no one I've seen seems to use it the way we used to in the fanfic and RP communities.
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Most people seem to focus on the specific nature of "character competence," but we all wrote about competent characters back then. Some characters were Mary Sues. Others were not. What separated them?
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(Don't get me wrong, there's as lot of people who are currently using Mary Sue as a sort of catch-all term for 'character i don't like who is a girl' which is absolutely a misogynist approach to narrative discourse)
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~author insert~ is the answer. The characters we called Mary Sues tended to be authorial insert characters. Everybody I knew in fanfic tried to write interesting, capable characters, but a lot of the scrubs would write like "Sarah Uchiha," who was clearly the writer being cool.
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A Mary Sue was the writer as they imagined themselves, getting to hang out with all the cool characters. Their perfection was usually a way to justify why they could hang with the fictional characters. I mean, yeah, who doesn't want to date Inuyasha or beat Goku in a fight?
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It was masturbatory. That's why the term was an insult. It was so commonly used for self-insert characters. Really to the point of more than anything else.
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There's a lot of the nuance and discourse in those communities that have died over the years, and it makes me sad. Where are all the jokes about people who use "orbs" to refer to eyes, or the takedowns of people thinking "clumsy" is a character flaw?
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This! All of this, so much. ORBS. my God.
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nothing quite as fun as reading a takedown of a bad wolf RP profile on livejournal
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Wow did we do the same RPs
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this would allow you to find my old RPs, and I am not interested in letting anyone see those
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No, fair, me neither. Wolves, Dragonriders of Pern, and lots of bad anime stuff
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