Even the most magic states are nowhere near as negative as the -½ of the toy example. Why not? Well, there are some constraints.
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The interesting one is to do with information. For the toy example, we got definite Y/N answers to all 3 questions. This time the rule is you can only get max half the information. In a weird sense of 'information' I'll get to soon.
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There's a very influential toy model that also has this 'half the information' property: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spekkens_toy_model … Very simple model that reproduces some, but not all, features of quantum theory. It uses just the states on the six corners of the octahedron. So no magic.
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Now, there's a fascinating paper by van Enk that builds on the Spekkens toy model, by extending the 'half the information' property to more states: https://arxiv.org/abs/0705.2742 To do this, you need a good definition of information.
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Most obvious choice is the usual one from information theory, linked to the Shannon entropy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory) … Turns out this isn't the right choice to reproduce QM, though. Instead you want a weirder entropy.
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Shannon is only one of a whole family of entropies, the Rényi entropies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9nyi_entropy … Wrote some rough notes here that may or may not make sense http://keerlu.github.io/2018/07/16/renyi-entropy.html … Anyway the one we want is called the collision entropy.
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Mathematically this one isn't too bad. The constraint turns out to be that the sum of the squares of the four numbers in the boxes can't be more than half. Conceptually... why the hell is it this one?? I don't know.
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Apparently this has been independently advocated as a measure of information by Brukner and Zeilinger: https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.83.3354 … Unfortunately I don't really follow the argument there, so I'm none the wiser.
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If you were expecting this to end with a satisfying conclusion... um, no, I'm still confused and have lots of questions. Some of which are here! So let me know if you have any helpful insights or references.pic.twitter.com/pmnWixChAG
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Replying to @drossbucket
Just to make things more confusing... You have to be careful with qubits. There are magic states with no negative probabilities using the definitions you have. Consider the +1 eigenstate of the operator below, you'll find it has all positive probabilities. But it is magic!pic.twitter.com/oPNxjNVTPa
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Oh, ok... thanks for the correction! From somewhere I'd got the idea that 'negative values in qubit Wigner function' = 'magic state'. Need to actually learn this properly :/
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Replying to @drossbucket
For d level system where d is an odd prime. Your intuition is basically spot on. But qubits (d=2) are a weird special case.
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