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Lucy Keer
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Some crackpot. Interested in 'mathematical intuition', whatever that is.

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    1. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      I've been reading McGilchrist's The Master and his Emissary and can't stop thinking about one section. Here's the whole quote. I'll go through each bit below.pic.twitter.com/OFugL67chD

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    2. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      All language drags a string of associations along with it. (How much attention you pay to these is at the heart of the decoupling/contextualising idea.) @Meaningness has the BEST terminology for these: https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/1059189937973551104 …pic.twitter.com/1TRPaZjIye

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    3. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      Now I understood this already, but Gilchrist makes a further distinction between associations coming in 'from the bottom' and 'from the top', which is new to me. Maybe this isn't an absolute split, but I'm finding the distinction helpful anyway.pic.twitter.com/LFecX9u7XR

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    4. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      At the bottom end, meaning grounds out in action, and in the body. This is prelinguistic. Understanding of this goes through Wittgenstein among many others.pic.twitter.com/peeWeOPJYl

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    5. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      At the top end, words and phrases also activate other words and phrases that are related in some way. This is the top end as these are already packaged into language - it's more conceptual, less direct.pic.twitter.com/Rg0vKJUJw3

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    6. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      As far as I understand it, structuralism tried to get meaning out of just the top end, the web of relations between terms in language. This doesn't work on its own, there's no there *there* without the bottom end. In 'Force and Signification', Derrida called it a 'deserted city':pic.twitter.com/coFbJUqW9N

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      Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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      Derrida seemed to be very alive to the problem, and used resources from phenomenology to try and breathe life into the abandoned city. Unfortunately he's unreadable! So I can't tell you whether his solution was any good. ☹️

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        2. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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          I think the bottom end without the top end is also a failure. You'd get a sort of unarticulated preconceptual soup with no structure to it. Language stabilises meaning.

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        3. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 14
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          Finally, I really like what Poincaré had to say (in 1905!). Maths instead of language, but the imagery is strikingly similar to Derrida's deserted city. He saw that meaning had to get in from the bottom end too - 'the old intuitive notions of our fathers'. https://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/Poincare_Intuition.html …pic.twitter.com/AJsTRR05mm

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        2. Maynard Handley‏ @handleym99 Jul 14
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          Grounding in how OTHER’s respond, rather than grounding in myself, seems to me a rather more useful direction, the trick that has been missed by Derrida and these others.

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        3. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 15
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          Yes I'm pretty certain Derrida was missing this, and that it's important. Wittgenstein definitely wasn't missing it!

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