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Lucy Keer
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Some crackpot. Interested in 'mathematical intuition', whatever that is.

Bristol, UK
drossbucket.wordpress.com
Joined June 2017

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      The traditional explanation for the power of logic is “expressive precision,” but the experience of attempting to use logic in AI is that it totally fails for that. Specifically, whenever it encounters nebulosity, which is the main point of Part I of _The Eggplant_.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      Another traditional virtue of logic is truth preservation (true premises => true conclusions); but there are nearly no absolute truths in the eggplant-sized world, and deduction does not preserve mostly-truth. So that’s not the answer outside applications in math and CS.pic.twitter.com/JZBRjPqrUH

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      “Dual process theories” say we have an innate rationality module that does logic correctly, plus an irrationality module that messes it up. (This goes back to the Greeks.) In a recent 🧵 I pointed out several reasons this is wrong and has damaged cogsci.https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/1079802460124766215 …

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      Rationalism tends to lump all phenomena other than formal rationality as a single deficient category. “Dual process” theories systematize this error. pic.twitter.com/mCafGrQbpz
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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      @cdutilhnovaes’s book [quote below], and the others I’ll cite in this 🧵, treat logic as a culturally-evolved technology for particular sorts of reasoning. It’s something we do, not something we have or are. It’s also not something that lives in the Platonic Form Realm.pic.twitter.com/o4kxqx5KxN

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      Mostly we do formal reasoning on paper, or a blackboard or whiteboard. Some bits are best done in the shower, but most of it critically depends on these external material technologies. Richard Feynman got this:pic.twitter.com/zAFeMumKm0

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      Rationalism holds that rationality works by abstracting a concrete problem into an immaterial formal realm. This is a weird flex, inasmuch as modern rationalists are usually passionately committed to materialism. Can we do formal logic without spooks? Yes we can!pic.twitter.com/nOa4A8fFGZ

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      Taking formal reasoning as typically a publicly observable, material activity exorcizes the banshees. But, there’s something right about the “abstraction” idea. How and when and why does this work? [Eggplant text here and in last, not @cdutilhnovaes]pic.twitter.com/gXxLc31Bme

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      There’s also something partly right about the “informal reasoning messes up formal” idea, as shown by the Cognitive Reflection Test. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_reflection_test …pic.twitter.com/ef2sCzzgO3

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      The essential problem faced by “mere reasonableness”—informal rationality—is the unenumerability of potentially relevant background factors. Part II of The Eggplant explains how that works. (In part: cross the river when you come to it.)pic.twitter.com/LHdfQBbzpt

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jul 12
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      In the Cognitive Reflection Test, you have to forcefully inhibit your informal reasoning, which gets wrong answers. Nice analysis from @drossbucket! @cdutilhnovaes gives similar examples from the Wason selection task: real-world relevance interferes. https://drossbucket.wordpress.com/2018/12/12/the-bat-and-ball-problem-revisited/comment-page-1/ …pic.twitter.com/gS9ykxsecE

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      Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket Jul 12
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      Ah, nice, when I cross posted to LW a commenter brought up the Wason selection task. Was thinking that I should look into that one too sometime.https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vk2yS8osapSch9Cz2/the-bat-and-ball-problem-revisited#4erAPDYyA7W9XHdzq …

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