9/ As it turns out trading against counterparties who drive the market is not a good business strategy. Which is why Robinhood is paid more for their flow than Interactive Brokers who is paid more than Credit Suisse
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10/ Again, all of which is the opposite of what one would expect if proprietary flow info pumped into prop trading alpha was any significant component of the PFOF business model.
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11/ The one exception I can think of is a game called “follow-on” trading. Certain gamer shops will target large institutional managers like Vanguard, who they know have large persistent blocks to execute.
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12/ The shop tries to send a really enticing price improvement for a really small size to profile Vanguard’s flow. They then turn that flow into an alpha, then stop quoting.
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13/ The most important part to understand about this game is to that you internalize the *smallest* amount of volume you can get away with. Think of it like pinging a dark pool.
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14/ The idea is that you bleed on a small amount of highly toxic, highly persistent flow, because you think you can turn around and execute in lit markets at larger size.
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15/ (FWIW don’t feel too bad for Vanguard. They absolutely know the rules of this game. Just as often the gamers get counter-screwed when the block execution desks tease them into taking as large a clip as possible at the end of a run)
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16/ Again this is entirely inconsistent with the behavior of retail PFOF. Citadel and Virtu would be fighting to get the *smallest* market share possible. Not competing to handle more flow. Remember the point of follow on is “just a small taste”— not to eat the whole buffet.
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17/ All of which is to say that none of the stylized facts or behavior of the market participants indicate that retail PFOF creates any significant informational for exchange market making.
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18/ Occam’s Razor: Robinhood’s flow is valuable because you want to trade *against* it. If one wanted to trade with it, it would defeat the entire point of internalizing it in the first place.
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yeah this is the point i was most suspect on, i think probably what i should've said is that MMs have a broader view of liquidity and can do arb trades to offload inventory when they trade against retail flow
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Def want to trade against retail, but doesn’t mean that it isn’t valuable for alphas. Total-retail = informed. Don’t know what info is available to mm and when though w/ regs.
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Potentially. But remember FINRA requires trades be published within 10 seconds. At most flow can only be proprietary for 10 seconds. I can maybe believe retail has alpha, but I can’t believe it has alpha at O(1s). The jitter alone to enter a Robinhood app order is way longer.
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