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electronic trading technologist, illiquid commodity futures enthusiast, hedge fund/HFT apologist, big idiot

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    1. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      the first argument against PFOF cuts directly against the argument for it: the argument is that price improvement figures are overestimated and that retail traders are not getting better prices.

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    2. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      The NBBO putatively represents the best bid and offer price for any given stock, but it turns to not necessarily be the case. Odd lot orders—orders for fewer than 100 shares— placed inside the NBBO are exempt from the NBBO calculation.

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    3. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      In addition, there is dark pool liquidity which is often priced at the NBBO midpoint and also not factored in.

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    4. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      The second argument against PFOF is that having retail on exchange would tighten spreads. One important thing to note about PI statistics is that they assume that the NBBO spread is static, but it isn’t. In fact it’s quite likely that the spread would change with retail flow.

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    5. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      Since lit market market makers have to interface with statistically more toxic flow, they have to quote wider spreads to compensate for the “cost” implicit in trading with that flow. So the argument is that making lit flow less toxic would cause MMs to quote higher spreads.

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    6. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      The third and final argument against PFOF is that there is a data/information advantage that is conferred to MMs because they get to see retail flow first.

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    7. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      For example, if a MM sees retail flow directionally tilted towards selling, they will quote their bid on-exchange lower than the NBB.

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    8. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      This has an effect on competition in the market making industry: other MMs without this data face disproportionately higher adverse selection when their orders execute at an NBBO price which is “crumbling” or otherwise quickly changing.

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    9. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      And it’s worth mentioning here that this factors into why there have been so few new retail equity MMs in the last ~20 years: MMs have to work to set up these relationships with retail brokerages and create commercial arrangements to buy flow.

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    10. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      The combination of the information advantage conferred by PFOF plus the duopolistic concentration in equities wholesaling means that the two largest firms in effect have strong knowledge of the direction of the NBBO, pricing others out of the business.

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      drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

      However, we should be clear that the information advantage does not equate to MMs “frontrunning” their clients, it merely means they are pricing differently than their competitors outside the NBBO and getting picked off at lower rates.

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        1. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30

          Anyway I hope this was helpful, I’m sure I made mistakes and typos as i wrote this in a few minutes after the twitter space. i also left out some deeper cases in the effort to stay brief and readable. anyway jump into the replies to yell at me all you want 💯

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        1. Michael Goodwell‏ @MichaelGoodwell Sep 30
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          Excellent thread. Thank you.

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        2. TifferTX‏ @TiffanyEngr Sep 30
          Replying to @drewg__

          Hasn't @citsecurities paid fines for "frontrunning" their own clients in the past?

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        3. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30
          Replying to @TiffanyEngr @citsecurities

          yeah, FINRA dinged them for a few OTC trades between 2012-2014https://www.ft.com/content/dc3f8fb5-62e7-4774-98bb-28db801589ee …

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        2. “We print it digitally”‏ @Pizza297 Sep 30
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          For anyone who has been an electronic market maker I can verify there is a high degree of paranoia about getting picked off.

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        3. drew‏ @drewg__ Sep 30
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          followed 🤝

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        1. vax‏ @vax79892397 Sep 30
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          You are wrong all the way . Clearly you have an agenda to defend the fraudulent scheme of PFOF. In yesterday Marc Cohodes explained to you when you asked why it s a fraudulent scheme .

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