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    1. Michael‏ @mmay3r 17 Dec 2017

      Most things we consider immoral are natural. Examples: assault, theft, murder. All claims of morality based on naturalness are bullshit.

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    2. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 18 Dec 2017
      Replying to @mmay3r

      Hot take: all moral systems are heuristics for scalability.

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      sam atman‏ @djinnius 18 Dec 2017
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      Also known as the categorical imperative

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        2.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann 18 Dec 2017
          Replying to @djinnius @enkiv2 @mmay3r

          Sort of. Kant is like if you made the Golden Rule unnecessarily abstract and stupid

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        3. sam atman‏ @djinnius 18 Dec 2017
          Replying to @sonyaellenmann @enkiv2 @mmay3r

          The absolutist nature of Kant's thought is endlessly lulzy, yes The idea that one should at least moderately generalize the consequences of one's actions is powerful

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        4. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          The categorical imperative is the most obviously scale-oriented moral system, sure. But: 1) The golden rule lets societies bigger than dunbar's number avoid collapsing into internal squabbles 2) "Turn the other cheek" / "stop the wheel of karma" prevents vendettas.

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        5. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          3) Simone de Bouvoir's moral heuristics of "maximize the potential for meaningful choice and never pretend your choices are not meaningful" is a different kind of scalability -- optimizing for expressiveness. Bouvoir suggests societies should be like Perl.

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        6. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          4) Utilitarianism in all variations is basically "optimize for scaling up pleasure" 5) Virtue ethics is "design patterns for social scalability". Vice ethics is "anti-patterns for social scalability". It's about what behaviors work in society & which don't.

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        7. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          6) The exaggerated punishments of free-riders (seen in humans but also in, like, ants) means that eliminating common bugs that limit growth is so evolutionarily adaptive that it appears independently in social animals. (Which you would expect.)

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        8. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          7) Fuck, even if your ethical system is "follow the bible", concretely that means avoid doing the 8 things most likely to cause fights in the ancient middle east and also don't kill people, plus "be fruitful and multiply".

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        9. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 19 Dec 2017
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          They're all incompatible at the extremes, but that's because they're "tips & tricks for bringing your city to Eridug-scale" not "how to make a city the size of a galaxy with world peace in six easy steps"

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