i think people get frustrated because they arrived at their ethics via logic but unconditional solidarity (aka loyalty) is a product of irrationality
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ethics could sort-of be logical if we have a good enough model of the human brain (including all varieties of diversity) and understand how actions interact at scale too bad we're not anywhere close to having these things yet
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no, there is no ethics without aesthetics and aesthetics cannot be logically derived please, my family, it's dying
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> aesthetics cannot be logically derived ...actually...
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me, sobbing: you can't just keep pointing at mathematical formalisms and calling them logic! You, pointing at the Nature of Order: logic
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