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    1. Anupam <|> अनुपम‏ @ajnsit 7 May 2018
      Replying to @EyalL @dibblego and

      There isn’t anything as easy for haskell. The problem is that many people in the haskell community don’t care about easy. The “it works for me” syndrome is very strong. I’m still waiting for a nix setup that works on macs, or with ghcjs, without endless tweaking.

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    2. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
      Replying to @ajnsit @EyalL and

      No, we *do* care about easy, which is why I definitely do not use stack. If I could fob off all the pain to you every time it comes up, I think you'd change your mind about what you are calling "easy." Alas, it is me, and students, who must suffer this pain. Thanks for that.

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    3. shrynx‏ @_shrynx 7 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @ajnsit and

      This is exactly the problem i am suffering from. Most tutorial encourage using stack and for the most part stacks work, unitl it suddenly doesn't (for reasons cryptic to me atleast). The tutorials that encourage nix, rarely explain what nix is / how nix works / why nix .

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    4. shrynx‏ @_shrynx 7 May 2018
      Replying to @_shrynx @dibblego and

      Also i somewhat find it ridiculous, that to learn or play with haskell, i have to learn yet another language/ package manager. It is overwhelming for a beginner. PS: i ♥️ the data61 course. Learning a lot from it.

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    5. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
      Replying to @_shrynx @ajnsit and

      I'm sorry that has been made difficult for you. If you need help with learning, please ask in forums such as the QFPL/Data61 channel.

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    6. James‏ @Oenotria 9 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @_shrynx and

      I started off with CIS194 and stack seemed to work no problems, and IntelliJ + Haskell pluging could import my project which was nice for someone used to having an IDE. I can't get the NICTA course to build :(

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    7. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 9 May 2018
      Replying to @Oenotria @_shrynx and

      Don't try building it. Just type ghci.

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    8. James‏ @Oenotria 9 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @_shrynx and

      Ok that works but I still think it would be nice if the nicta course played nicely with stack. It was great being able to Ctrl-Click on functions in IntelliJ and go straight to the definitions. Flattens the learning curve a bit for people used to Visual Studio/XCode/Intelli J.

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    9. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 9 May 2018
      Replying to @Oenotria @_shrynx and

      Stack is an impediment to learning. The NICTA course is primarily focused on learning, and so impediments are swiftly discarded.

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    10. James‏ @Oenotria 9 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @_shrynx and

      I know you hate stack and maybe it's terrible (?) but a lot of beginners (myself included) will be following the suggested route to learning haskell suggested by @bitemyapp (CIS194 then NICTA) and switching toolsets between courses feels like a bigger impediment to learning.

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 9 May 2018
      Replying to @Oenotria @_shrynx and

      I don't hate stack. It is an impediment to learning, overall, big picture. I will just keep teaching effectively, discarding all impediments, including stack. Sorry that stack was, and probably will continue to be, an impediment for you.

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        2. James‏ @Oenotria 9 May 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @_shrynx and

          I'm not trying to provoke an argument @dibblego and I appreciate all the material you and @bitemyapp put out there. I'm just trying point out some actual impediments I have faced when trying to learn haskell. I got comfortable with one set of tooling, now I have to ditch it.pic.twitter.com/NCXX0z5sH4

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