So, now we are imposing anti-learning onto arbitrary students? What if the student is not anti-learning? That's not a context. Cabal install does not fail any more cryptically than other shitty build tools.
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cabal install fails cryptically far more often than stack does, and that's the point. There are a lot of people who want to give haskell a shot. Their budget (in time, energy) for learning is understandably limited, they'd rather spend it on learning haskell than nix.
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Suppose this were true (it's not, but suppose it was). Why does every critique of stack turn into, "but it's not cabal"? Here is some news for you: I HATE CABAL MORE THAN YOU DO. Can we please stop talking about cabal? Please, fucking please, goddamn motherfucking please?
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talking about whether stack is good or not necessarily compares it to its alternatives. Its goal of installing haskell software is not contested, so the question is whether it's better than its alternatives at this purpose or not. Naturally this leads to discussing alternatives
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The alternative to stack is not http://stack.Talk about that.
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not stack fails to install any existing haskell libraries, unless it happens to be of the "nix" or "cabal" variety. stack is far superior to both in important aspects (not all, of course) pedagogy isn't everything.
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Total bullshit. What the ever living fuck was I, and *many many others*, doing for all those years before [nix,cabal,stack] existed? Go on, tell us.
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How many Haskell libraries did you install in that period? How painful was it?
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Fucking millions. Zero.
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Sure thing buddy. Yes, we were all tripping over ourselves, screaming "oh no, where is the saviour? We shall call it stack when it shows itself!" Yes, that is what we were all doing. *sigh*
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It was painful. I was there before stack (but not before cabal). And it was painful. I managed to work around all issues. Yet much pain was involved. You're being disingenuous.
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No, you are telling me, and many others in fact, what we were doing. And you're completely fucking wrong, which is rather the point of this entire discussion. Your biases lead you to believe these things, and the idea that what I am saying is true, doesn't fit in your head.
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