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    1. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 31 Oct 2017
      Replying to @ajnsit @chrislpenner and

      The absence of stack is an improvement, especially for beginners. The poor beginner who I am helping right now agrees. And hundreds before.

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    2. Eyal Lotem  🏴‏ @EyalL 6 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @ajnsit and

      stack lets you easily install Haskell software on common operating systems. It's the most reliable easy way to do it. That's quite a useful trait! There are more reliable ways, but they're harder so deter most beginners.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Brian McKenna‏ @puffnfresh 6 May 2018
      Replying to @EyalL @dibblego and

      nah

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    4. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 6 May 2018
      Replying to @puffnfresh @EyalL and

      yeah nah

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    5. Eyal Lotem  🏴‏ @EyalL 6 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @puffnfresh and

      example: "brew install stack && stack setup && stack install" works on various mac machines I used it on to install my packages. is there anything nearly as easy as this?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Anupam ＜|＞ अनुपम‏ @ajnsit 7 May 2018
      Replying to @EyalL @dibblego and

      There isn’t anything as easy for haskell. The problem is that many people in the haskell community don’t care about easy. The “it works for me” syndrome is very strong. I’m still waiting for a nix setup that works on macs, or with ghcjs, without endless tweaking.

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    7. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
      Replying to @ajnsit @EyalL and

      No, we *do* care about easy, which is why I definitely do not use stack. If I could fob off all the pain to you every time it comes up, I think you'd change your mind about what you are calling "easy." Alas, it is me, and students, who must suffer this pain. Thanks for that.

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    8. Eyal Lotem  🏴‏ @EyalL 7 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @ajnsit and

      stack has bugs. I've encountered some failed installs here and there. By and large, "stack install" works, and all alternatives to install Haskell software are an order of magnitude harder. When installing Haskell software is this hard, many give up (and I've seen it first hand)

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    9. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
      Replying to @EyalL @ajnsit and

      > By and large, "stack install" works :)

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    10. Eyal Lotem  🏴‏ @EyalL 7 May 2018
      Replying to @dibblego @ajnsit and

      Do you mean to suggest it doesn't? Maybe nix is better, but can nix be as easy as "brew install stack && stack setup && stack install" ? You are dissing stack but do you have anything better than that?

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      Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
      Replying to @EyalL @ajnsit and

      If stack has a benefit, you could point to the pain that I incur by not using it. Especially, the pain that my students incur. From my perspective, they are way ahead of stack users.

      12:58 AM - 7 May 2018
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        1. Eyal Lotem  🏴‏ @EyalL 7 May 2018
          Replying to @dibblego @ajnsit and

          To know the pain that they incur, I'd have to know what alternative they're using. IME: Nix is hard to start with. Cabal just doesn't work, not even "by and large". I am not familiar with any other options to reasonably install Haskell software.

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        2. Tony Morris‏ @dibblego 7 May 2018
          Replying to @EyalL @ajnsit and

          Well, given such an impediment to measuring, the outcomes speak for themselves.

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